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the paranormal radio and now here's Dean

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Steinberg we're here ladies and

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gentlemen to present is Charles Fort

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said in the earliest 20th century a

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procession of the Damned and we talking

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about there are things that science

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cannot explain doesn't want to explain

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doesn't care about whatever you want

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we're here to talk about the things

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around us that don't have easy

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explanations such as UFOs or flying

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saucers ghosts poltergeists strange

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creatures of the night we're

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conspiracies the stuff of legends going

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back throughout recorded history weird

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things happening we're going to try to

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understand what's going on now a lot of

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people are joining the power cast this

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week you've never heard about us before

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but certainly by the title of the show

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you get the vibe that this is a

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paranormal radio show it's a different

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kind of show though because unlike some

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of our competitors we don't sit back and

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hear someone make a crazy claim and say

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gosh golly gee whiz isn't that wonderful

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we're gonna ask some hard questions

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occasionally we've exposed fakers when

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they need to be exposed in other words

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we're going to take a serious look this

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way out stuff and we're all going to

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have fun I hope so

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we're going to try to find out what's

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really happening but sometimes it's the

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thrill of discovery that makes it all

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worthwhile and along for the ride week

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after week will be for co-hosts these

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are friends of mine and they've taken

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their own personal journeys into the

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strange and unknown and in various ways

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they're experts at what they do I'll

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introduce them and then we'll basically

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have everybody introduce what they are

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here for and why they're studying this

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crazy universe of ours and maybe the

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discussion will get crazy wacky but I am

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be the fly on the wall this week got to

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sit back with you and let them talk

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unless you would have to say I'm going

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to read the guest list not in

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alphabetical order but just whatever

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order suits me because I'm host you see

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we have Christopher O'Brien he's done

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books like mysterious Valley where he

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explores weird goings-on in a particular

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area of Colorado and elsewhere he's also

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written a book called stalking the

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tricksters and sometimes he does a great

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trickster voice right Chris but not

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today Jean okay thank you

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you see if I egg him on he'll do it

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later or he'll do it off the air

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Paul Kimball is a film producer he's

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done documentaries on different subjects

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he participated in kind of a ghost

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hunters type show in Canada and also he

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has a documentary called best evidence

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about UFO cases among many things he's

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done Greg Bishop has also and continues

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to host his own mysterious radio show

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he's written extensively on the subject

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has been around for quite some number of

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years studying these things Nick Redfern

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while he's written so many books I can't

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begin to list them all he's done a lot

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of mainstream writing he's also written

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about the strange the unknown and he's

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time we talked to Nick he's got a new

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book it seems because he works very hard

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and he writes date and night as I said

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normal subjects and the unconventional

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and I'm going to ask our guest just what

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brings them what draws them to this

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field Greg since you've done radio 2

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what draws you to UFOs and the

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paranormal I think the main reason is

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that I'm interested in things that tweak

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the nose of popular assumptions popular

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knowledge the assumptions people make

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and don't really think about too much

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anytime somebody's in there or some

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thing in the case of paranormal UFOs is

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in there telling you know kicking

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somebody and say you don't know every

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thing or there's more you need to learn

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if you're open to it that interests me

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and that's what keeps my interest going

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how long have you been following this

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stuff

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I don't know seriously since the late

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80s but as kind of a reader and a and a

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consumer of the of the subjects and

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probably since I could read I mean I was

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reading UFO and Bigfoot books from what

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i could put sentences together and make

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sense of them actually I think now since

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you work in the entertainment industry

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it doesn't matter where do the people

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you work with look at you and say you're

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weird well no they don't because you

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know like a lot of people that are into

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the subject you kind of know who you can

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talk to about it and who is probably

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best left alone I'm lucky because in

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California and especially in Los Angeles

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I think people are not open to it you

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can say that's because it's more fruits

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and nuts here whatever you want to say

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however like I said I think people in

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California are more open to strange

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ideas or just non-conventional things

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you know weird California has done very

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well it's a book i co-wrote about four

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years ago and every almost every place I

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go at the you know the subject comes up

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I need somebody who has read that book

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and enjoyed it it's just about weird

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stuff in California about UFO sighting

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places Bigfoot people strange you know

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things they do to their to their houses

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and property haunted houses things like

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that but it's just kind of ingrained I

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think in people out here to just kind of

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accept it and in the entertainment

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industry actually I think it's expected

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that you're going to be creative or

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weird in some way no matter what you're

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doing in the industry so I guess I'm

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kind of lucky speaking of the

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entertainment industry Paul Campbell

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you're not making superhero films you've

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done some stuff on the paranormal why

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these subjects well I just like to say

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Jean that if somebody's listening who

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wants me to make a superhero film I'm

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happy to do it

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you know I think Weston for Nolan is

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trying to rejigger Superman maybe well

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for the job Superman and Batman they've

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all been taken I mean we're sort of down

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to the sea level hero so if anybody

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wants to do that along

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man film maybe Aquaman the atom I'm your

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guy

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about the atom okay the atom isn't his

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name Ray Palmer see now you just ruined

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my steak wait see that was gonna be a

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really clever segue love you see it's

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because I read your mind but let's have

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the segue what does that mean to anybody

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because nobody knows what that name

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means except those who are fans of the

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atom and maybe three or four of our

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previous listeners well it's kind of the

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influence that the paranormal if you

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will is head on popular culture over the

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last 50 or 60 years comics when they

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began in 30s and 40s Superman Batman

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Golden Age of comics and then they

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reinvented them in the late 50s and

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early 60s and brought in more science

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fiction oriented so Green Lantern went a

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DC hero went from being a guy who

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wielded a magical ring to suddenly

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another space cop basically and

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everybody was kind of given a bit of a

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science fiction angle and the atom was a

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character from the old Justice Society

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of American the in the 30s and 40s and

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his basic power was he was a short guy

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but he he fought people he was a boxer

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brawler kind of guy what they did when

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they reinvented him in the 60s is they

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made him a scientist who created a

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device that would allow him to shrink to

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some molecular level to explore all

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sorts of places to travel through phone

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lines and stuff like that and then in a

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nod to the influence that that they had

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sort of had they called him Ray Palmer

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the character's name is sort of Clark

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Kent name if you will his real name was

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Ray Palmer and of course Ray Palmer to

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the listeners I'm sure would be well

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known for his contributions to what

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would you call it for Tianna

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science fiction the whole enchilada gene

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you're older than I am you would know

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those better than I would well I'm older

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than everybody but not quite as old as

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Ray Palmer was but I knew right Palmer

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and Ray Palmer was editor of amazing

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stories magazine in the 30s and 40s and

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after long absence he brought back some

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classic sci-fi writers to the field

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including Edgar Rice Burroughs his final

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stories were written for amazing stories

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but Palmer also got in touch with this

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would be science fiction writer named

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Richard shaver who

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claimed to be in touch with people who

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lived in the caverns beneath the earth

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remnants of an ancient advanced

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civilization called heroes and heroes

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and Palmer 1 started saying at one time

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hey this is true folks and you can

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imagine the people in the science

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fiction field say what what do you mean

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it's true this is science fiction this

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is silly space opera kind of science

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fiction these that was true amazingly I

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don't know if it's amazingly but there's

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there's there's no coincidence that

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after the Second World War you know we

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have Roswell whatever Roswell was taking

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place in 1947 the 1948 alleged Aztec

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crashed and Frank Scully's book behind

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the flying saucers all of this going on

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flying saucers were big news UFOs the

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idea of life in outer space atomic

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weapons mutants and all of that

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transferred into the world not only a

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popular fiction sort of pulp fiction but

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new and growing medium and feature films

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our co-hosts Paul Campbell Christopher

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o'brien Nick Redfern Greg Bishop you're

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special co-host roundtable and we're

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introducing to you especially since we

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have many new listeners Greg Bishop Nick

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Redfern Paul Kimball Christopher O'Brien

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we're talking about Paul Campbell and

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getting into some of the influences of

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the early UFO research about science

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fiction about all the things that

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happened in the late 40s that became so

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popular in our popular culture go ahead

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Paul well sure you were asking Greg and

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you last Nick and Chris what how they

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sort of get into it for me it's a

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two-prong answer was business in 2001 I

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did a film on Stan Friedman it was the

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first film I directed I'd produced a

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couple others but I wrote and directed

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that one so that was sort of my entree

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into the sort of my world of looking

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into the paranormal

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not just paranormal itself but also the

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people the people that are in it like

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Stan fascinate me too that's subculture

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but all of us that grew up is I did in

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the 70s and 80s and the 90s and even

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back into the 50s and 60s would be

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familiar we would be tied in in a way

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that previous generations were not to

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the idea that there are visitors from

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outer space there are alien beings out

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there that they're you know science

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there's more than our science

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understands that there's some really

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weird things going on potentially and

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trying to tie that into a more modern

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scientific culture that we live in so it

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shouldn't come as any surprise that

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people are interested in the paranormal

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particularly where there's a scientific

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band it shouldn't come as any surprise

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that the extra-terrestrial hypothesis is

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the most popular and widely known sort

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of paranormal explanation for UFOs

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because it's what we all grew up with so

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it just makes sense

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it's the theme of movies such as ETD

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extraterrestrial Close Encounters of the

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Third Kind etc right absolutely now

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let's move to one of our other guests

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Nick Redfern what attracted you to the

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paranormal well I'm one of these people

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I guess they knew hasn't had yet you

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know the definitive UFO or definitive 40

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and experience what got me interested is

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one of the best fire

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of our six I went to Loch Ness in today

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at Loch Ness you know even at that young

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age when my dad's on with the story of a

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loch ness monster you know it kind of

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caught my attention and imagination and

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I suppose like Greg you know I as I got

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older sort of late single digits early

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teens or whatever you know I got more

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interested in reading and began to read

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a lot of things like John keel and

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stream field and Kehoe Ivan Sanderson

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and burn approval and some of the early

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people in cryptozoology and it sort of

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captured my imagination and I suppose

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I'm one of those sorts of people who who

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doesn't really do well in the 9 to 5

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quote normal world you know and I

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thought well there's got to be something

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out there beyond just go to school going

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to work and that's it and so you know I

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began doing investigations it's a

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strange phenomena and writing a few

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articles and book reviews for some of

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the newsletters that existed back in the

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nineteen eighties in England you know

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sort of self-published zine type

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publications and when I left school I

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think I'm working on a rap music

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magazine in England called zero and

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that's sort of pictures really the other

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thing I wanted to do and it was

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everything I could do I wasn't that

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particularly good a student and you know

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but I enjoyed write and enjoyed reading

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and so you know I was one of these

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people who I did you know I got into

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interested in doing something that was

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really the only thing I could do and you

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know I mean I found that from my

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perspective at least you know the I

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enjoy doing the investigations I think

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there's a lot of weird phenomena feel

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like out there but it intrigues me and I

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enjoy kind of like peeling away the

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layers of the onion so to speak to find

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what's at the heart of it and you know

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this other aspect of 40 honor that just

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bore me stupid you know I'm just that

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I'm just not interested in but the

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certain ones like UFOs cryptozoology but

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do deeply interest me so you know it

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sort of goes that's like Greg's my sort

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of formative years as a as a young kid

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and then you know listening to it and

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reading it wide-eyed and then realizing

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this

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amongst a certain small amount of good

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stuff there was a lot of very bad and

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complete nonsensical stuff but you know

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that sort of age five or six it's

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difficult to differentiate between the

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Terra Naval for some of us now it's

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slightly difficult to differentiate

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between what's good and what's bad but

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that's part of what we do and on the

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show on the podcast we try to separate

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the signal from the noise is our motto

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and what it means ladies and gentlemen

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is we try to look at claims that seem to

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have more of a basis of fact of course

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when you're dealing with individual

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encounters where someone sees something

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where one or two people see something

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unusual you know it's really hard to

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prove it's as if you have solid

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rock-solid evidence about it so the

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question I have to ask obviously with

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Paul and Greg there in show business we

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expect them to be weird Nick you of

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course wrote for rock magazine so it

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goes to follow but do your people now

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you're living in the United States the

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people that you encountered say oh

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you're that guy writes all that crazy

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stuff not really I mean I wouldn't say

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that most people where I live know

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anything about what I do anyway you know

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are we friends obviously no but you know

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beyond that I would say most people

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industry I live in don't know what I do

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you know I mean when I speak to people

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about it you know I don't get people

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sort of like great I think it's more

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like a stereotypical image people think

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if you write about this other people

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think you're weird but I mean I truly

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don't get people backing away from me or

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anything like that when I say I write

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books oh because Bigfoot so on that just

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might say oh that's being trusted you

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know what's on TV but because they're

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not really interested others actually

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are interested to talk about it and some

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are deeply interested but you know I

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think it is more like a media mythology

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but if you're into Bigfoot of UFOs that

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you're kind of weird and on a par with

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almost like a you know some antisocial

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idiot or whatever so now I don't really

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get that sort of response it's either

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wow that's interesting or that's mildly

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interesting kind of like the Lone Gunmen

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TV show some years back to spinoff from

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the x-files where everybody there looked

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weird that was the end job as a serial

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type

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yeah now I personal view is you know

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there's a lot of people in the 14 world

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who I disagree with in Alaia gree with

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but I have to where where I would you

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know sort of cast doubt on the image of

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you know what we perceive to be is as

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you've just said with the lone gunman

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you know these three sort of isolated

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guys who don't really have lives away

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from what they do and can't function in

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the real world and just living like some

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article whatever with banks of computers

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you know it's like I mean for me you

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know I try and do a normal working day

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sort of 7:00 till 5:00 and unless you're

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doing like radio shows or whatever then

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you know me my wife just hang out at

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night go out for drinks do you know

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watch TV we did normal stuff you know

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and I think that's that's what a lot of

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people don't realize if you're into you

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know most people in the UFO field on

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ufologists they're people who happen to

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be interested in ufology you know there

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is no such thing as a ufologist who

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that's their life or their alright you

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doubt there are a few who like that but

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for the most part it's people who have

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normal lives but have an interest in

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weird stuff as well you don't grow horns

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at night but not always now okay only on

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Thursdays

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speaking of tricksters and people like

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that Chris O'Brien what were you doing

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before you got attracted to this subject

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oh well I lived in New York City for

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quite a number of years through the mid

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to late 70s through the 80s and was a

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professional keyboard player so I guess

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you can lump me in with the the crazy

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entertainment types here but my my whole

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attraction to the subject-matter

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happened as a result of a very

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life-changing experience I have and I

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was very young just turned 7 and we'll

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get into that life-changing experience

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in a moment Michaels Christopher O'Brien

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Paul Kimble Nicholas Redfern Greg Bishop

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Bishop Christopher O'Brien got his first

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exposure when you were seven years old

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that's correct I didn't ask for it but

650
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it happened and it definitely had a

651
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lifelong impact on me and I've always

652
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had an absolute deep fascination for you

653
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know UFOs the paranormal in general um

654
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you know across the board subject wise

655
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and I happen to move to a very

656
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interesting region of Colorado in the

657
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late 80s and inadvertently got involved

658
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in becoming a field investigator I

659
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innocently started out just to write a

660
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little 500 word article for my little

661
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town paper and reporting on a whole slew

662
00:28:09,379 --> 00:28:05,909
of UFO sightings and cattle mutilation

663
00:28:11,330 --> 00:28:09,389
cases that have were taking place and I

664
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:11,340
ended up on national TV in two months so

665
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it just kind of grew a life of its own I

666
00:28:19,789 --> 00:28:17,159
was able to you know get a network of

667
00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:19,799
law enforcement ex-military people

668
00:28:24,350 --> 00:28:21,690
ranchers farmers college students

669
00:28:27,289 --> 00:28:24,360
housewives the whole network of sky

670
00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:27,299
watches to feed me leads on reports and

671
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I spent 13 solid years running around

672
00:28:35,239 --> 00:28:32,070
investigating you know just an

673
00:28:36,700 --> 00:28:35,249
incredible potpourri of unusual events

674
00:28:39,739 --> 00:28:36,710
that occurred in the San Luis Valley

675
00:28:42,259 --> 00:28:39,749
Colorado where I lived so that's kind of

676
00:28:44,060 --> 00:28:42,269
how I got involved in all this and you

677
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:44,070
know unlike a lot of people I think that

678
00:28:49,159 --> 00:28:45,690
are that are closeted buffs in this

679
00:28:52,609 --> 00:28:49,169
field I have no qualms about stating my

680
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interest in these subjects I've never

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really felt that the subject matter was

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ever held against me I think anybody

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that knows me knows that I'm pretty

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level-headed so I think that that

685
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actually helps people understand I think

686
00:29:07,909 --> 00:29:05,220
a little bit more why I'm so motivated

687
00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:07,919
unlike a lot of people in ufology which

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you know is I was constantly sort of

689
00:29:13,999 --> 00:29:12,570
surprised me most ufologists have never

690
00:29:15,950 --> 00:29:14,009
really had any sort of personal

691
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:15,960
experiences I know was Stan Friedman for

692
00:29:22,009 --> 00:29:20,159
instance has never seen UFO in my case

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:22,019
because we had hundreds and hundreds and

694
00:29:26,690 --> 00:29:24,330
hundreds of sightings and I had a really

695
00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:26,700
extensive Network spread around about

696
00:29:31,180 --> 00:29:28,820
10,000 square mile area

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00:29:34,269 --> 00:29:31,190
able to run out and I had quite a number

698
00:29:36,220 --> 00:29:34,279
of experiences of you know objects and

699
00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,230
lights and actually structured craft

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00:29:41,379 --> 00:29:39,440
that just you know don't conform to what

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00:29:43,990 --> 00:29:41,389
you would consider conventional let's

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00:29:47,860 --> 00:29:44,000
say military or conventional crafts so

703
00:29:50,919 --> 00:29:47,870
so my fascination with this comes fueled

704
00:29:53,620 --> 00:29:50,929
by personal experience and you know I'm

705
00:29:54,940 --> 00:29:53,630
not a true believer I have a hard time

706
00:29:56,830 --> 00:29:54,950
even believing some of my own

707
00:30:00,220 --> 00:29:56,840
experiences I'm very skeptical but

708
00:30:03,490 --> 00:30:00,230
open-minded about these subjects and I'm

709
00:30:06,159 --> 00:30:03,500
very sensitive to how the culture is

710
00:30:09,669 --> 00:30:06,169
trying to program itself into believing

711
00:30:12,009 --> 00:30:09,679
I think you know the cut-and-dried sort

712
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:12,019
of you know answers or puts applying

713
00:30:17,110 --> 00:30:14,210
answers to a lot of these mysteries that

714
00:30:18,970 --> 00:30:17,120
that they're too simplistic in my view

715
00:30:22,060 --> 00:30:18,980
and I think we're dealing with a much

716
00:30:24,039 --> 00:30:22,070
more complex scenario and that's why I

717
00:30:26,889 --> 00:30:24,049
really love the pair cast and in the

718
00:30:30,639 --> 00:30:26,899
forums and and this show is because this

719
00:30:32,619 --> 00:30:30,649
show stretches our points of belief and

720
00:30:34,690 --> 00:30:32,629
and and gets I think this is going to

721
00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:34,700
get the listener to really think about

722
00:30:39,639 --> 00:30:37,129
what they truly believe why they believe

723
00:30:41,350 --> 00:30:39,649
it in open them up to alternative ways

724
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:41,360
of looking at these mysteries

725
00:30:45,879 --> 00:30:43,850
considering the alternative ways of

726
00:30:48,159 --> 00:30:45,889
looking at the mysteries of course the

727
00:30:50,529 --> 00:30:48,169
conventional wisdom such as it is and

728
00:30:51,490 --> 00:30:50,539
how can you deal with conventionality

729
00:30:53,649 --> 00:30:51,500
when you're talking about the

730
00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:53,659
unconventional is when you say flying

731
00:30:59,080 --> 00:30:56,870
saucers UFOs is et et is here they're

732
00:31:02,259 --> 00:30:59,090
coming to look at us in Independence Day

733
00:31:03,940 --> 00:31:02,269
they're coming to destroy us et the

734
00:31:05,889 --> 00:31:03,950
extra-terrestrial they're taking soil

735
00:31:07,450 --> 00:31:05,899
samples whatever but you're saying it's

736
00:31:09,940 --> 00:31:07,460
more complicated than that

737
00:31:12,399 --> 00:31:09,950
so my believe would you not believe that

738
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:12,409
there's an et well I think it's it's

739
00:31:17,289 --> 00:31:14,809
pretty much a foregone conclusion with

740
00:31:19,539 --> 00:31:17,299
billions of galaxies and quadrillions of

741
00:31:21,430 --> 00:31:19,549
stars that there's got to be some form

742
00:31:23,740 --> 00:31:21,440
of intelligent life in this

743
00:31:26,230 --> 00:31:23,750
three-dimensional cosmos or universe

744
00:31:27,759 --> 00:31:26,240
that we inhabit but whether we're

745
00:31:29,470 --> 00:31:27,769
important enough on this little blue

746
00:31:32,619 --> 00:31:29,480
marble spinning in space for any of them

747
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,629
to come here and conduct you know

748
00:31:38,210 --> 00:31:35,520
medieval medical experiments

749
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:38,220
I love Terence Mckenna says that they're

750
00:31:45,530 --> 00:31:42,330
uninvited pro-bono proctologists I love

751
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:45,540
that particular way of looking at it I

752
00:31:50,450 --> 00:31:46,770
don't think we're important enough for

753
00:31:52,460 --> 00:31:50,460
anything out there to come and exhibit

754
00:31:55,310 --> 00:31:52,470
the types of behavior decade after

755
00:31:57,170 --> 00:31:55,320
decade that it just doesn't make sense

756
00:31:59,780 --> 00:31:57,180
there's something nonsensical something

757
00:32:03,040 --> 00:31:59,790
trickster ish something that doesn't add

758
00:32:06,740 --> 00:32:03,050
up in terms of looking at all these

759
00:32:09,170 --> 00:32:06,750
visitations let's say from an ET a

760
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:09,180
hypothesis standpoint I think there's

761
00:32:14,810 --> 00:32:12,570
something much more intense complicated

762
00:32:18,530 --> 00:32:14,820
and probably closed system I think that

763
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:18,540
some way humanity is in some way shape

764
00:32:25,460 --> 00:32:21,570
or form helping manifest these entities

765
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:25,470
here in our reality well when I talked

766
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:27,990
to Paul Kimball on earlier episode he

767
00:32:32,510 --> 00:32:29,850
had taken the position he thinks ET

768
00:32:34,430 --> 00:32:32,520
being the more likely explanation so

769
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:34,440
what would you have to say to what chris

770
00:32:39,260 --> 00:32:37,410
explained here well I say that

771
00:32:41,450 --> 00:32:39,270
everybody's entitled to their opinion I

772
00:32:43,820 --> 00:32:41,460
respect Chris's I just disagree with it

773
00:32:45,710 --> 00:32:43,830
I think to me there's absolutely no

774
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:45,720
question that the extra-terrestrial

775
00:32:50,780 --> 00:32:48,090
hypothesis makes the most sense it

776
00:32:53,390 --> 00:32:50,790
doesn't mean that it's proven it doesn't

777
00:32:56,060 --> 00:32:53,400
mean that other possibilities might not

778
00:32:57,950 --> 00:32:56,070
be true as well there probably is more

779
00:32:59,660 --> 00:32:57,960
than one answer including the fact well

780
00:33:02,270 --> 00:32:59,670
I shouldn't say fact including the

781
00:33:04,640 --> 00:33:02,280
likelihood that most UFO cases and

782
00:33:06,650 --> 00:33:04,650
perhaps even all UFO cases with proper

783
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:06,660
investigation could be explained in

784
00:33:11,300 --> 00:33:08,370
prosaic terms what we would consider

785
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:11,310
prosaic terms meaning man-made or our

786
00:33:15,470 --> 00:33:13,710
own world but if you look for a

787
00:33:17,030 --> 00:33:15,480
paranormal explanation and I use the

788
00:33:19,850 --> 00:33:17,040
term paranormal to mean something

789
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:19,860
outside our realm of experience as

790
00:33:23,690 --> 00:33:21,780
humans walking on this planet and I

791
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,700
would include aliens from another planet

792
00:33:28,430 --> 00:33:26,640
as being paranormal then I think it's

793
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:28,440
the luck most logical the most likely

794
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,080
explanation that also doesn't require us

795
00:33:35,540 --> 00:33:33,600
to stretch the boundaries of scientific

796
00:33:38,090 --> 00:33:35,550
understanding to the breaking point and

797
00:33:39,770 --> 00:33:38,100
beyond because we can already travel to

798
00:33:42,110 --> 00:33:39,780
other worlds we already have weather

799
00:33:44,300 --> 00:33:42,120
we've traveled in person to the moon we

800
00:33:45,890 --> 00:33:44,310
traveled by robots to Mars or by probes

801
00:33:48,100 --> 00:33:45,900
to the outer edge of our solar system

802
00:33:49,810 --> 00:33:48,110
even us poor little monkeys on this blue

803
00:33:52,060 --> 00:33:49,820
I can travel within our own solar system

804
00:33:54,130 --> 00:33:52,070
if you pause as a civilization that's

805
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:54,140
few hundred or even a few thousand years

806
00:33:56,680 --> 00:33:55,850
older than us then who knows what

807
00:33:59,080 --> 00:33:56,690
they're capable of

808
00:34:01,270 --> 00:33:59,090
and as to why they would come here well

809
00:34:03,010 --> 00:34:01,280
they might not be here for us they might

810
00:34:05,530 --> 00:34:03,020
be here for what our planet offers we

811
00:34:07,150 --> 00:34:05,540
don't know what the universe offers what

812
00:34:10,450 --> 00:34:07,160
our planet might have that we don't even

813
00:34:13,149 --> 00:34:10,460
understand is valuable I mean when the

814
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:13,159
European explorers came to North America

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there were things that they assign value

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to that then the indigenous natives did

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not and conversely there were things

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that the Europeans really didn't assign

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value to but the indigenous natives

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found quite valuable to make a very

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unfair trading system but when you're

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dealing with different cultures or

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different races or different peoples or

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in this case different species how can

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you say what might or might not be

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important to them and when you do that

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you're you're you're assigning human

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motivations to something that is

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inherently alien so as I said in that

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previous podcast episode gene I know

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that people look at the high strangeness

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aspects of some UFO cases and say well

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that that doesn't that couldn't possibly

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be alien I would be fine bells ferreted

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I before Paul Paul be here we go further

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using the term high strangeness define

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what you mean by high strangeness well a

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UFO case using a UFO case here that has

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characteristics that seem outside the

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norm and talking about the norm of UFO

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cases but let's talk about the ones

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flying saucers the suppose that aliens

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from outer space people see structured

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craft flying to the sky and that's about

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it that would be a normal if you can say

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normal UFO case the high strangeness

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ones are the ones where something very

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different happens there's a case from

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nova scotia here up in canada from the

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1970s where you had very quickly had two

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people in two different or two groups of

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people in two houses right next to each

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other both of whom were experiencing

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totally different things from one object

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that was up in the sky which the RCMP

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the Royal Canadian Mounted Police

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witnessed and reported that would be a

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high strangeness case but there's

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nothing about that to me that rules out

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an alien explanation in fact I would

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expect visitors from other worlds to be

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extremely highly strange to us to the

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point of as Arthur

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Clark said their technology appearing to

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us as magic I would add their

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motivations their actions appearing to

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us in many cases as magic or something

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as Greg and I were in the Magic Castle

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just two weeks ago they would seem like

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when he pulls the diet coke bottle out

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from under the handkerchief very strange

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I can't explain that's highly strange to

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me but that doesn't mean that an

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interdimensional being from the 8th

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dimension or something or or a crypto

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terrestrial just means it's strange but

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in terms of the scientific logic of it

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to me without ruling out any of the

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other explanations which even the ETH I

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mean Sam Friedman doesn't rule out those

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explanations he just focuses on the

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extra-terrestrial one will focus on more

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stuff in a moment we're talking to Paul

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Bishop Paul Kimball

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talking about high strangeness but

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saying that just the presence of et on

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earth because of the fact they're

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to Earthlings they could be pretty

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strange yeah well I would expect they

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would be pretty strange and I think you

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asked me why I'm interested in all this

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and I think at the end of the day I did

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a show with Don Ecker a little while ago

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and we talked about this Don Ecker have

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a sort of legendary UFO researcher and

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Don kind asked me why I was into all

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this I said we'll look if the aliens if

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there are aliens I can't summon them if

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there are inter dimensionals if there

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are crypto terrestrials whatever I can't

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make them appear what in what interests

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me more is sort of the journey of

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discovery of trying to figure out not

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only what these things are but I think

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more importantly that path that you take

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helps you figure out who you are so I

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think as I said to Don I can't prove

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that aliens from Zeta Reticuli exist but

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I'm not out to I'm just kind of here to

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prove that I exist and I know that might

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sound a little new agey except in Greg

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state in California but I think that's

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what the journey of discovery is you're

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sort of trying to find out as much about

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yourself as you are about these UFOs or

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Bigfoot or whatever and that's part of

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interacting with our world and trying to

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understand that there's something more

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than just the reductionist box that

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maybe modern society would want to keep

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us in so it's about stretching your

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minds and if Krista's mind stretching

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takes them over here and mine takes me

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over there well at least we're thinking

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about it and we're thinking I hate this

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race but outside the box and that's a

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good thing Greg you've been mentioned a

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couple of times there where does your

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mind stretch well I I agree with Paul

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that the ETH is probably from our point

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of view the best explanation for where

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UFO phenomena originates or a lot of it

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does

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the annex the truly unexplained stuff

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however the reason I am more interested

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in some of the other explanations what

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people call an interdimensional

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explanation or a crypto terrestrial

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explanation which we can get into and

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other things besides pure aliens coming

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from other planets it's just because

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it's more exciting and more interesting

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to me and it brings you know it throws

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more ingredients in the soup if you want

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to call it and brings more subjects to

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the table and expands your awareness and

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your your thinking a little bit more

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into other areas

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now whether they're fruitful or not as a

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solution to the UFO mystery I don't know

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but it makes it far more interesting and

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as Paul said and if I as I've said when

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people have asked me this yeah I don't

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know if I'll ever find an answer I don't

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know Paul will or NIC will or Chris will

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or you will but the point is that along

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the way I've learned so much about

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myself I've learned about other people

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I've learned about the scientific method

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I've learned about psychology sociology

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all kinds of things and as long as I

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keep my mind as open as possible to you

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know logical interesting arguments and

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evidence then I keep myself you know

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occupied and I and on top of that I meet

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cool people I can talk to like blood

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one of those delayed reactions that's

1082
00:45:11,370 --> 00:45:08,410
okay Greg I'll forgive you next time

1083
00:45:13,650 --> 00:45:11,380
what me there's three other people on

1084
00:45:15,420 --> 00:45:13,660
with me Brad Steiger I don't care how

1085
00:45:17,070 --> 00:45:15,430
old he is he's one of those people that

1086
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,080
everybody should listen to because he's

1087
00:45:21,510 --> 00:45:19,839
been around so long that there's there's

1088
00:45:23,450 --> 00:45:21,520
almost nothing he says that if you don't

1089
00:45:27,210 --> 00:45:23,460
agree with it at least it's interesting

1090
00:45:31,410 --> 00:45:27,220
Nick what is your definition of high

1091
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:31,420
strangeness well you know I mean when I

1092
00:45:35,430 --> 00:45:33,010
mean I can understand where Paul's

1093
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:35,440
coming from the one reason why I was I'd

1094
00:45:39,789 --> 00:45:37,609
valent ly disagree because you

1095
00:45:42,190 --> 00:45:39,799
you know none of us can really know we

1096
00:45:43,989 --> 00:45:42,200
can be a man if we want you know don't

1097
00:45:45,370 --> 00:45:43,999
worry about it well we can't believe we

1098
00:45:47,849 --> 00:45:45,380
can't because we don't have enough

1099
00:45:50,979 --> 00:45:47,859
evidence one way or the other to

1100
00:45:54,579 --> 00:45:50,989
definitively say a B or C but but what I

1101
00:45:56,529 --> 00:45:54,589
would say one of the reasons why I kind

1102
00:45:59,859 --> 00:45:56,539
of veer towards the idea that it's not

1103
00:46:02,529 --> 00:45:59,869
just called just a tee coming to visit

1104
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:02,539
us for scientific reasons or whatever is

1105
00:46:07,180 --> 00:46:04,970
that one thing that a lot of people get

1106
00:46:08,890 --> 00:46:07,190
and I know Chris has had and that I get

1107
00:46:10,569 --> 00:46:08,900
a lot of and I don't think it's

1108
00:46:14,049 --> 00:46:10,579
coincidence is that the more you dig

1109
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:14,059
into paranormal phenomena and UFOs the

1110
00:46:20,319 --> 00:46:16,970
more weird synchronicities you begin to

1111
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:20,329
experience now you know almost as if

1112
00:46:26,319 --> 00:46:21,640
you're living in some sort of weird

1113
00:46:29,049 --> 00:46:26,329
matrix type world and you know for me I

1114
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:29,059
mean I obviously don't understand if a

1115
00:46:33,970 --> 00:46:31,130
tea technology exists we can never sort

1116
00:46:35,140 --> 00:46:33,980
of anticipate how advanced it is but you

1117
00:46:38,289 --> 00:46:35,150
know I have a hard time understanding

1118
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:38,299
how aliens can come to the earth and

1119
00:46:43,660 --> 00:46:41,359
those also investigated as a consequence

1120
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:43,670
start experiencing weird synchronicity

1121
00:46:48,220 --> 00:46:46,130
if it's just nuts and bolts aliens

1122
00:46:49,979 --> 00:46:48,230
asynchronous diseases you define what

1123
00:46:52,989 --> 00:46:49,989
you mean in this case I will

1124
00:46:55,029 --> 00:46:52,999
synchronicity is basically a meaningful

1125
00:46:57,009 --> 00:46:55,039
coincidence where something happens in

1126
00:46:58,809 --> 00:46:57,019
your life you're investigating something

1127
00:47:01,599 --> 00:46:58,819
let's say you could go to a book shop

1128
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:01,609
and you're investigating a 50 year old

1129
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:04,190
UFO case you can't find anything on you

1130
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:05,569
happen to browse through the bookshelves

1131
00:47:09,519 --> 00:47:07,970
you knock a book off you pick it up and

1132
00:47:10,839 --> 00:47:09,529
it's fallen over to the page where it

1133
00:47:14,979 --> 00:47:10,849
mentions the very thing you're looking

1134
00:47:16,839 --> 00:47:14,989
for that's like a synchronicity and you

1135
00:47:18,549 --> 00:47:16,849
know lots of people within youth ology

1136
00:47:21,849 --> 00:47:18,559
get those I even know people are

1137
00:47:23,890 --> 00:47:21,859
vehement adherents of the 88 and who've

1138
00:47:25,870 --> 00:47:23,900
had them in a fairly very disturbing

1139
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:25,880
that that could happen almost as if

1140
00:47:32,140 --> 00:47:29,690
they're being manipulated and also what

1141
00:47:36,099 --> 00:47:32,150
I call crossover cases which lead me to

1142
00:47:38,200 --> 00:47:36,109
again veer away from the the ATH

1143
00:47:40,210 --> 00:47:38,210
crossover cases being where you get

1144
00:47:43,269 --> 00:47:40,220
elements of one aspect of a four-tier

1145
00:47:46,299 --> 00:47:43,279
mystery involved in a note in a case

1146
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:46,309
involving another aspect for example you

1147
00:47:48,819 --> 00:47:47,839
know if you look in the whole history of

1148
00:47:51,320 --> 00:47:48,829
14

1149
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:51,330
mysteries you find numerous K

1150
00:47:56,330 --> 00:47:54,330
his folklore stories tales of encounters

1151
00:47:58,490 --> 00:47:56,340
with weird entities and beings of

1152
00:48:00,530 --> 00:47:58,500
bridges you know you can find any

1153
00:48:02,660 --> 00:48:00,540
culture on the planet pretty much and

1154
00:48:06,110 --> 00:48:02,670
there's a little local folklore in the

1155
00:48:07,820 --> 00:48:06,120
town about the headless lady horns the

1156
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:07,830
bridge you know over the river that sort

1157
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:10,500
of thing and you get UFO cases along

1158
00:48:14,930 --> 00:48:12,450
those lines you get Bigfoot reports you

1159
00:48:16,190 --> 00:48:14,940
get ghosts now of course you could argue

1160
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:16,200
that that's because they're simply

1161
00:48:21,380 --> 00:48:18,450
folklore but when you get things like

1162
00:48:23,210 --> 00:48:21,390
that or you get a Bigfoot sighting in

1163
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:23,220
association with weird lights hovering

1164
00:48:29,870 --> 00:48:27,240
over the woods then to me you know we

1165
00:48:31,370 --> 00:48:29,880
have to look beyond just the idea that

1166
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,380
aliens are visiting us doesn't mean

1167
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:34,200
they're not but to me we have to take it

1168
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:36,450
beyond the realm of you know sort of the

1169
00:48:41,810 --> 00:48:39,810
more Kehoe era of ufology which still

1170
00:48:45,380 --> 00:48:41,820
provide much of ufology today where

1171
00:48:49,580 --> 00:48:45,390
people just look at it as more advanced

1172
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:49,590
beings with a scientific approach coming

1173
00:48:54,050 --> 00:48:52,290
to the earth and you know conducting

1174
00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,060
experiments and then going back again to

1175
00:48:58,670 --> 00:48:56,400
me even if that is what's going on

1176
00:49:00,470 --> 00:48:58,680
there's something more significant that

1177
00:49:06,350 --> 00:49:00,480
we don't understand going on as well oh

1178
00:49:08,180 --> 00:49:06,360
yeah no comment no fear my only comment

1179
00:49:11,270 --> 00:49:08,190
would be I don't disagree with Nick yeah

1180
00:49:13,610 --> 00:49:11,280
but I all I said was if I was going to

1181
00:49:15,290 --> 00:49:13,620
assign a likelihood which one is more

1182
00:49:16,700 --> 00:49:15,300
likely in this one and that one's more

1183
00:49:18,860 --> 00:49:16,710
likely than that one

1184
00:49:21,050 --> 00:49:18,870
I find the ETH to be the most likely

1185
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,060
explanation but as I said it doesn't

1186
00:49:24,830 --> 00:49:23,040
exclude the other ones and it certainly

1187
00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:24,840
doesn't mean that you might be dealing I

1188
00:49:30,260 --> 00:49:26,850
mean you you could pull out five UFO

1189
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:30,270
cases and of different types and you

1190
00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:32,160
could say okay well if you had to assign

1191
00:49:35,030 --> 00:49:33,900
a paranormal explanation find that one

1192
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:35,040
seems more like eat and

1193
00:49:39,500 --> 00:49:37,650
extra-terrestrial hypothesis but this

1194
00:49:42,860 --> 00:49:39,510
one over here this is this is really

1195
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:42,870
weird I mean who knows and so you know

1196
00:49:46,820 --> 00:49:44,460
the key is to just keep your mind open I

1197
00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:46,830
agree with Greg and Nick and even Chris

1198
00:49:51,050 --> 00:49:48,570
the only difference between Chris and I

1199
00:49:53,150 --> 00:49:51,060
is we might what we do I think sort of

1200
00:49:55,820 --> 00:49:53,160
assign a different weight to which one

1201
00:49:57,680 --> 00:49:55,830
is more likely but it's not unless I

1202
00:49:59,570 --> 00:49:57,690
misheard Chris he's not ruling the

1203
00:50:01,820 --> 00:49:59,580
extra-terrestrial thing out as a

1204
00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:01,830
possible explanation and I don't rule

1205
00:50:03,990 --> 00:50:03,210
the other ones out as a possible

1206
00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:04,000
excellent

1207
00:50:10,650 --> 00:50:07,750
Chris you know I really listening to

1208
00:50:13,650 --> 00:50:10,660
Nick well listen to everyone here this

1209
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:13,660
is so stimulating for me to be able to

1210
00:50:17,849 --> 00:50:15,130
talk about these things in a

1211
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:17,859
non-judgmental way and agree to disagree

1212
00:50:22,740 --> 00:50:21,150
I think Nick's observation concerning

1213
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:22,750
synchronicity and meaningful

1214
00:50:27,060 --> 00:50:24,880
coincidences is very important in that

1215
00:50:29,700 --> 00:50:27,070
much in my mind is one of the most

1216
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:29,710
important clues that I have as a as an

1217
00:50:35,370 --> 00:50:32,650
active investigator I've had outbreaks

1218
00:50:37,950 --> 00:50:35,380
of UFO sightings that have also had

1219
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:37,960
attendant cattle mutilations Bigfoot

1220
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:41,170
sightings unusual weather strange

1221
00:50:47,130 --> 00:50:44,290
societal events that occur all within a

1222
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:47,140
two or three day time period also got an

1223
00:50:52,830 --> 00:50:50,650
abnormal amounts of strange fires in the

1224
00:50:55,140 --> 00:50:52,840
area going around and seeing all this

1225
00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:55,150
roadkill on the road for some reason if

1226
00:51:01,230 --> 00:50:58,690
you start lining these different what

1227
00:51:03,810 --> 00:51:01,240
seem to be a you know totally unrelated

1228
00:51:06,180 --> 00:51:03,820
type you know facts together and then

1229
00:51:09,390 --> 00:51:06,190
you you look at it how they all seem to

1230
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:09,400
to bell curve over a specific time

1231
00:51:12,930 --> 00:51:11,410
period that to me indicates that we're

1232
00:51:15,900 --> 00:51:12,940
dealing with something closed system

1233
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:15,910
perhaps ETS are coming and somehow are

1234
00:51:21,990 --> 00:51:19,570
able to affect our reality and somehow

1235
00:51:25,170 --> 00:51:22,000
manifest these attendant types of

1236
00:51:27,420 --> 00:51:25,180
phenomenal events I tend to think not

1237
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:27,430
though actually I think it's something

1238
00:51:32,130 --> 00:51:29,170
that is closed system I think that we're

1239
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:32,140
dealing with with a energetic process

1240
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:34,330
that we have not even begun to

1241
00:51:38,190 --> 00:51:36,250
understand you know why that point we're

1242
00:51:39,900 --> 00:51:38,200
going to break for the hour we have

1243
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1244
00:51:46,310 --> 00:51:42,550
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1260
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1261
00:52:26,190 --> 00:52:24,190
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1262
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1263
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1264
00:52:32,040 --> 00:52:30,310
industry won't recognize the value of

1265
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1266
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1267
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1271
00:53:02,170 --> 00:52:59,380
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1272
00:53:04,599 --> 00:53:02,180
Christopher O'Brien in our last hour we

1273
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:04,609
were talking to Chris and about the

1274
00:53:10,990 --> 00:53:08,180
nature of his interest in UFOs about the

1275
00:53:13,510 --> 00:53:11,000
fact that in addition to the standard et

1276
00:53:16,270 --> 00:53:13,520
type UFOs all sorts of other stuff is

1277
00:53:18,849 --> 00:53:16,280
going on around it by the way folks want

1278
00:53:21,279 --> 00:53:18,859
to find more of the things that we do go

1279
00:53:24,910 --> 00:53:21,289
to the power cast calm that's our

1280
00:53:28,059 --> 00:53:24,920
website the power cast comm we also have

1281
00:53:32,289 --> 00:53:28,069
forums at forum got the power cast calm

1282
00:53:34,660 --> 00:53:32,299
where we talk about not just UFOs goes

1283
00:53:36,670 --> 00:53:34,670
poltergeist and conspiracy theories but

1284
00:53:40,510 --> 00:53:36,680
just about politics anything anything

1285
00:53:41,980 --> 00:53:40,520
that of course comes to our mind even

1286
00:53:45,010 --> 00:53:41,990
music because we have musicians

1287
00:53:48,279 --> 00:53:45,020
entertainers here see Chris let's get

1288
00:53:50,349 --> 00:53:48,289
back to this aspect and gentlemen just

1289
00:53:51,490 --> 00:53:50,359
chime in if you feel necessary at this

1290
00:53:54,490 --> 00:53:51,500
point we're going to really open up the

1291
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:54,500
discussion all right so we have the

1292
00:53:57,670 --> 00:53:56,000
standard UFO we have the strange

1293
00:54:01,529 --> 00:53:57,680
creatures can we think maybe the strange

1294
00:54:04,089 --> 00:54:01,539
creatures are coming from spaceships

1295
00:54:06,609 --> 00:54:04,099
well that's a definite possibility and

1296
00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:06,619
the like Paul I don't rule anything in

1297
00:54:11,950 --> 00:54:10,220
or anything out I just tend to to take

1298
00:54:15,099 --> 00:54:11,960
the data that I personally have been

1299
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:15,109
able to amass and you know it's one

1300
00:54:19,660 --> 00:54:17,569
thing to be an armchair ufologist I

1301
00:54:22,269 --> 00:54:19,670
think is there's a real problem I think

1302
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:22,279
in the field people have a sense of

1303
00:54:26,650 --> 00:54:25,010
being able to figure things out and I

1304
00:54:28,839 --> 00:54:26,660
was like this too for many years it

1305
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:28,849
wasn't until I got into the field

1306
00:54:32,529 --> 00:54:30,650
actually looked witnesses in the I

1307
00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:32,539
worked with law enforcement worked you

1308
00:54:38,410 --> 00:54:35,690
know closely with a network of folks it

1309
00:54:42,250 --> 00:54:38,420
that were highly motivated to at least

1310
00:54:44,829 --> 00:54:42,260
document these events it wasn't until I

1311
00:54:47,859 --> 00:54:44,839
got to that point that I really started

1312
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:47,869
to get a strong sense or a hunch that we

1313
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:49,010
were dealing with something infinitely

1314
00:54:56,410 --> 00:54:53,690
more complex than a single answer and

1315
00:54:58,900 --> 00:54:56,420
and to be honest with you going into my

1316
00:55:01,809 --> 00:54:58,910
investigative work prior to moving to

1317
00:55:03,980 --> 00:55:01,819
the San Luis Valley I thought that we

1318
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:03,990
owned it was all ETS and

1319
00:55:10,370 --> 00:55:07,650
in the UFO sightings and and in ufology

1320
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:10,380
in general was all based on you know on

1321
00:55:15,470 --> 00:55:12,690
aliens coming here from some other star

1322
00:55:17,630 --> 00:55:15,480
system or galaxy it wasn't until I had

1323
00:55:21,050 --> 00:55:17,640
these meaningful coincidences that Nick

1324
00:55:22,910 --> 00:55:21,060
very I think very astutely pointed out

1325
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,920
it wasn't until those types of events

1326
00:55:26,660 --> 00:55:24,720
started happening to me you know up

1327
00:55:29,810 --> 00:55:26,670
close and personal that I sit really

1328
00:55:33,020 --> 00:55:29,820
made me do a 180 bow face and really

1329
00:55:35,870 --> 00:55:33,030
start to second-guess my my assumptions

1330
00:55:39,100 --> 00:55:35,880
about about these types of events so you

1331
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:39,110
know I think it's everyone has their own

1332
00:55:44,930 --> 00:55:42,210
sort of gut feeling about what is going

1333
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:44,940
on in this in this whole realm and and I

1334
00:55:49,190 --> 00:55:47,130
think that that that is a really good

1335
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:49,200
place for a person to start and and to

1336
00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:52,050
really to really kind of sense how their

1337
00:55:56,750 --> 00:55:54,270
gut is telling them you know what's

1338
00:55:58,730 --> 00:55:56,760
going on what could be possibly behind

1339
00:56:00,350 --> 00:55:58,740
it so my guts telling me that we're

1340
00:56:02,180 --> 00:56:00,360
dealing with something a heck of a lot

1341
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:02,190
more complicated and of course we

1342
00:56:07,340 --> 00:56:04,170
haven't even begun to factor in the the

1343
00:56:09,109 --> 00:56:07,350
very likelihood of black budget money

1344
00:56:13,250 --> 00:56:09,119
and your tax dollars at work and play

1345
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:13,260
and you know disinformation you know

1346
00:56:18,790 --> 00:56:17,130
very well orchestrated hoaxes I mean

1347
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:18,800
there's it's a very complicated

1348
00:56:22,790 --> 00:56:20,970
kaleidoscope of elements that we're

1349
00:56:25,970 --> 00:56:22,800
dealing with alright so you raise the

1350
00:56:27,980 --> 00:56:25,980
subject black projects in what fashion

1351
00:56:31,340 --> 00:56:27,990
what is the black project the UFO

1352
00:56:33,500 --> 00:56:31,350
investigations secret weapons what well

1353
00:56:35,810 --> 00:56:33,510
I think all the above the really good

1354
00:56:38,060 --> 00:56:35,820
example would be during the the height

1355
00:56:40,250 --> 00:56:38,070
of a pretty intense hiding way that we

1356
00:56:42,290 --> 00:56:40,260
had in Colorado I happen to be driving

1357
00:56:46,010 --> 00:56:42,300
one night back from a gig pretty late at

1358
00:56:48,410 --> 00:56:46,020
night it was just after midnight if I

1359
00:56:49,910 --> 00:56:48,420
had been any further away than I was

1360
00:56:51,590 --> 00:56:49,920
from the following event I'm going to

1361
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:51,600
describe I would have thought I saw his

1362
00:56:58,099 --> 00:56:55,290
huge 300-foot UFO what I observed was

1363
00:57:00,200 --> 00:56:58,109
three what appeared to be by the sound

1364
00:57:02,630 --> 00:57:00,210
of their engines because I did stop my

1365
00:57:05,090 --> 00:57:02,640
car and listen what appeared to be three

1366
00:57:09,380 --> 00:57:05,100
cargo planes flying wingtip to wingtip

1367
00:57:12,380 --> 00:57:09,390
across a leading edge of their wings was

1368
00:57:15,050 --> 00:57:12,390
a perfectly sequenced a chain of lights

1369
00:57:17,019 --> 00:57:15,060
that would blink from the far left plane

1370
00:57:19,179 --> 00:57:17,029
all the way down

1371
00:57:20,859 --> 00:57:19,189
playing across the the wing of the

1372
00:57:22,749 --> 00:57:20,869
middle plane all the way to the to the

1373
00:57:25,449 --> 00:57:22,759
right plane all the way to the end in a

1374
00:57:27,999 --> 00:57:25,459
burst of about 30 or 40 different white

1375
00:57:30,069 --> 00:57:28,009
lights that went just you know like a

1376
00:57:32,439 --> 00:57:30,079
sequence of lights that would flash

1377
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:32,449
about every five seconds and if I had

1378
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:34,809
been any further away than five miles I

1379
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:37,369
would definitely have thought I saw a

1380
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:40,640
huge you know UFO flying over but it was

1381
00:57:45,699 --> 00:57:43,609
three cargo planes wingtip to wingtip

1382
00:57:47,229 --> 00:57:45,709
with a synchronized light that flashed

1383
00:57:51,189 --> 00:57:47,239
on the leading edge of all three planes

1384
00:57:53,709 --> 00:57:51,199
now why would the military do that in

1385
00:57:55,989 --> 00:57:53,719
the midst of a sideway period why would

1386
00:57:58,120 --> 00:57:55,999
they try something like that light it up

1387
00:57:59,559 --> 00:57:58,130
like a Christmas tree and then fly it

1388
00:58:02,289 --> 00:57:59,569
down the middle of the San Luis Valley

1389
00:58:07,059 --> 00:58:02,299
that indicates to me some sort of psyops

1390
00:58:09,489 --> 00:58:07,069
so psychotronic you know experiment if

1391
00:58:11,859 --> 00:58:09,499
you will to see if anybody's going to

1392
00:58:14,319 --> 00:58:11,869
see it to see how they report it if they

1393
00:58:16,630 --> 00:58:14,329
do to see how the local law enforcement

1394
00:58:18,759 --> 00:58:16,640
responds to the report to see if the

1395
00:58:21,849 --> 00:58:18,769
local media picks it up and then to

1396
00:58:24,130 --> 00:58:21,859
gauge the reaction in the public and as

1397
00:58:26,709 --> 00:58:24,140
it filters into the culture to see how

1398
00:58:29,529 --> 00:58:26,719
what sort of impact and how they impact

1399
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:29,539
plays out in the culture and it's these

1400
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,329
types of events I think and I got I've

1401
00:58:37,689 --> 00:58:35,119
got a whole bunch of them that indicate

1402
00:58:40,539 --> 00:58:37,699
to me that our government you know and

1403
00:58:43,929 --> 00:58:40,549
the military or possibly quasi-military

1404
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:43,939
paramilitary whatever is engaged in some

1405
00:58:48,219 --> 00:58:46,130
sort of psychological weapons

1406
00:58:50,979 --> 00:58:48,229
experiments trying to gauge the

1407
00:58:52,959 --> 00:58:50,989
effectiveness of conventional and

1408
00:58:55,509 --> 00:58:52,969
possibly probably non-conventional

1409
00:58:57,159 --> 00:58:55,519
technology Nick I think this is an area

1410
00:58:59,739 --> 00:58:57,169
where I think you have some useful

1411
00:59:01,479 --> 00:58:59,749
comments to offer well this is an area I

1412
00:59:03,130 --> 00:59:01,489
have looked into you know it's a

1413
00:59:05,140 --> 00:59:03,140
controversial area and one of the

1414
00:59:07,299 --> 00:59:05,150
reasons it's so controversial isn't

1415
00:59:09,279 --> 00:59:07,309
because it couldn't be true that the

1416
00:59:12,329 --> 00:59:09,289
government's you know is using

1417
00:59:15,189 --> 00:59:12,339
psychological weaponry if you like or

1418
00:59:17,199 --> 00:59:15,199
materials or technology and that this

1419
00:59:18,669 --> 00:59:17,209
has a bearing on the UFO issue that's

1420
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:18,679
not the problem for a lot of UFO

1421
00:59:22,870 --> 00:59:20,569
researchers the problem is that it

1422
00:59:24,909 --> 00:59:22,880
affects and undermines their belief

1423
00:59:27,579 --> 00:59:24,919
systems you know there's so many people

1424
00:59:29,349 --> 00:59:27,589
within the UFO field who who

1425
00:59:31,630 --> 00:59:29,359
fortunately not like anybody on the show

1426
00:59:33,940 --> 00:59:31,640
right now but who are quote true

1427
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,950
believers and if you start saying well

1428
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:36,079
this case or that case may actually be

1429
00:59:40,690 --> 00:59:38,089
some sort of psychological warfare

1430
00:59:42,549 --> 00:59:40,700
program or may with the people involved

1431
00:59:45,339 --> 00:59:42,559
were subjected to some sort of

1432
00:59:48,249 --> 00:59:45,349
modern-day MKULTRA my manipulation

1433
00:59:50,950 --> 00:59:48,259
program they get very defensive because

1434
00:59:53,229 --> 00:59:50,960
you're dealing with potentially

1435
00:59:56,289 --> 00:59:53,239
upsetting very deeply held belief

1436
00:59:59,049 --> 00:59:56,299
systems about certain cases and I think

1437
01:00:01,979 --> 00:59:59,059
possibly that's why to some extent at

1438
01:00:04,359 --> 01:00:01,989
least the whole psychological warfare

1439
01:00:07,890 --> 01:00:04,369
manipulation and review fo subject has

1440
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:07,900
remained a fringe aspect is because

1441
01:00:14,009 --> 01:00:10,910
ufology attracts true believers and true

1442
01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:14,019
believers don't want the status quo

1443
01:00:19,630 --> 01:00:18,170
upsetting you know for example you know

1444
01:00:21,249 --> 01:00:19,640
I wrote a book Body Snatchers in the

1445
01:00:23,950 --> 01:00:21,259
desert about the Roswell story

1446
01:00:28,299 --> 01:00:23,960
greg wrote project beta or Zeus ad-lib

1447
01:00:31,059 --> 01:00:28,309
project beta and and you know which also

1448
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,069
I guess undermine certain you falah

1449
01:00:36,459 --> 01:00:33,680
djegal themes and of course both books

1450
01:00:39,219 --> 01:00:36,469
app and now whether people feel you know

1451
01:00:41,709 --> 01:00:39,229
the books should be supported or not the

1452
01:00:43,690 --> 01:00:41,719
fact is in part at least one of the

1453
01:00:45,190 --> 01:00:43,700
reasons why there was criticism was

1454
01:00:47,349 --> 01:00:45,200
because certain people in the field

1455
01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:47,359
quite simply didn't like what they were

1456
01:00:52,239 --> 01:00:49,130
hearing or didn't like what they were

1457
01:00:53,859 --> 01:00:52,249
reading it elastomers yeah exactly

1458
01:00:56,739 --> 01:00:53,869
that's what we need to get past with in

1459
01:00:58,569 --> 01:00:56,749
ufology we need to recognize that nobody

1460
01:01:01,959 --> 01:00:58,579
really knows what's going on and if

1461
01:01:03,729 --> 01:01:01,969
there is a deep or even a fringe or a

1462
01:01:05,709 --> 01:01:03,739
small amount of you know psychological

1463
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:05,719
warfare involved in the government it's

1464
01:01:10,599 --> 01:01:07,849
still an important aspect of the subject

1465
01:01:12,969 --> 01:01:10,609
and to dismiss it because it's not an

1466
01:01:15,819 --> 01:01:12,979
exciting tale about aliens eating people

1467
01:01:18,309 --> 01:01:15,829
under Dulce New Mexico well you know

1468
01:01:19,989 --> 01:01:18,319
that's to me that those are the people

1469
01:01:21,370 --> 01:01:19,999
with the problem if you cannot face the

1470
01:01:23,529 --> 01:01:21,380
possibility that there's something else

1471
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:23,539
going on you shouldn't be in the

1472
01:01:28,569 --> 01:01:26,329
subjects Body Snatchers of the desert

1473
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,579
give our listeners have a brief summary

1474
01:01:32,739 --> 01:01:30,799
about that book well basically what it

1475
01:01:36,700 --> 01:01:32,749
was I interviewed about six or seven

1476
01:01:38,529 --> 01:01:36,710
people elderly people who essentially

1477
01:01:40,870 --> 01:01:38,539
relate to the same account but brought

1478
01:01:43,420 --> 01:01:40,880
it from their own perspective

1479
01:01:45,489 --> 01:01:43,430
and said in the summer of 1947 when the

1480
01:01:47,499 --> 01:01:45,499
whole Roswell thing kicked off that

1481
01:01:49,660 --> 01:01:47,509
there were a number not many maybe five

1482
01:01:52,930 --> 01:01:49,670
or six experiments undertaken in the New

1483
01:01:55,779 --> 01:01:52,940
Mexico desert high-altitude experiments

1484
01:01:58,390 --> 01:01:55,789
using large balloon arrays and Japanese

1485
01:02:00,759 --> 01:01:58,400
prisoners of war to test effects of

1486
01:02:02,499 --> 01:02:00,769
high-altitude exposure on people and

1487
01:02:04,839 --> 01:02:02,509
that most of these experiments failed

1488
01:02:07,390 --> 01:02:04,849
most of them were recovered quickly by

1489
01:02:09,009 --> 01:02:07,400
the military in one case the one that

1490
01:02:11,589 --> 01:02:09,019
became known as the Roswell incidents a

1491
01:02:15,370 --> 01:02:11,599
civilian Mac Brazel got there before the

1492
01:02:16,329 --> 01:02:15,380
military and it led to the legend of the

1493
01:02:18,219 --> 01:02:16,339
Boswell incident

1494
01:02:21,370 --> 01:02:18,229
so basically we're doing experimentation

1495
01:02:22,779 --> 01:02:21,380
on human beings here and we'll try to

1496
01:02:25,509 --> 01:02:22,789
have a shooter

1497
01:02:27,789 --> 01:02:25,519
okay so that gets to raise a whole can

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01:02:30,930 --> 01:02:27,799
of worms and that can of worms will be

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01:02:35,049 --> 01:02:30,940
open shortly we're having a special

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you're in the para cast Chris I think

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you have an answer right or at least a

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response you know I've always looked at

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this subject matter and like I said it

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is a very complicated kaleidoscope but

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it always has reminded me of a

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sleight-of-hand magician sleight of hand

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magic is very intriguing to me and one

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of the things that you notice right off

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is that they always try to try to get

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you to look at the right hand while the

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left hand is actually you know up to up

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01:07:53,290 --> 01:07:49,970
to the tricks so I have always had a

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01:07:56,740 --> 01:07:53,300
sense that we are being programmed to

1611
01:07:59,230 --> 01:07:56,750
believe that certain things are so when

1612
01:08:01,780 --> 01:07:59,240
in fact there may be the right hand

1613
01:08:03,990 --> 01:08:01,790
maybe deferring to the left hand in

1614
01:08:07,329 --> 01:08:04,000
terms of what actually is going on so

1615
01:08:09,730 --> 01:08:07,339
you know again I I really think that

1616
01:08:11,589 --> 01:08:09,740
it's important to remain open-minded to

1617
01:08:14,170 --> 01:08:11,599
not factor anything in or out let the

1618
01:08:16,749 --> 01:08:14,180
data you know kind of drive your your

1619
01:08:18,670 --> 01:08:16,759
conclusions at this point we don't

1620
01:08:21,640 --> 01:08:18,680
really have the quality of data that we

1621
01:08:24,099 --> 01:08:21,650
need to to you know prove any of these

1622
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,109
of potential theories as being correct

1623
01:08:28,450 --> 01:08:26,719
so and that goes with ETH as well I mean

1624
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:28,460
we don't have one shred of physical

1625
01:08:32,620 --> 01:08:31,250
evidence that you know shows us that we

1626
01:08:35,140 --> 01:08:32,630
are dealing with something off planet

1627
01:08:37,599 --> 01:08:35,150
just as we don't have any real evidence

1628
01:08:40,059 --> 01:08:37,609
to to show that the government is behind

1629
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,069
most if not all UFO sightings as some

1630
01:08:45,789 --> 01:08:42,560
conspiracy more conspiracy minded people

1631
01:08:48,130 --> 01:08:45,799
would suggest so I think that it by its

1632
01:08:51,579 --> 01:08:48,140
very design this is a very trickster ish

1633
01:08:53,890 --> 01:08:51,589
scenario and you know bringing that up

1634
01:08:57,340 --> 01:08:53,900
of course I just wrote a book that looks

1635
01:09:00,120 --> 01:08:57,350
at how the paranormal could be an

1636
01:09:02,289 --> 01:09:00,130
illustration of a collective

1637
01:09:04,749 --> 01:09:02,299
manifestation of tricks tourism that we

1638
01:09:07,450 --> 01:09:04,759
are all collectively unleashing upon

1639
01:09:09,789 --> 01:09:07,460
ourselves and that of course is probably

1640
01:09:12,099 --> 01:09:09,799
you know subject for whole show but ok

1641
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:12,109
some collective tricks tourism meaning

1642
01:09:17,380 --> 01:09:13,730
that our subconscious creates these

1643
01:09:19,870 --> 01:09:17,390
events exactly I would equate it as to

1644
01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:19,880
being like a cultural stigmata

1645
01:09:24,550 --> 01:09:22,910
for instance stigmata of course is the

1646
01:09:26,890 --> 01:09:24,560
spontaneous manifest

1647
01:09:30,120 --> 01:09:26,900
of faith in an individual it's probably

1648
01:09:33,940 --> 01:09:30,130
has deeply rooted saiga

1649
01:09:36,130 --> 01:09:33,950
psychosomatic you know causal elements

1650
01:09:39,130 --> 01:09:36,140
going on padre pio course was a very

1651
01:09:41,340 --> 01:09:39,140
famous stigmatised stigmata is

1652
01:09:44,650 --> 01:09:41,350
manifesting the wounds of Jesus

1653
01:09:47,380 --> 01:09:44,660
oftentimes the scent of roses is also

1654
01:09:51,970 --> 01:09:47,390
detected by by people nearby these

1655
01:09:54,540 --> 01:09:51,980
wounds tend to not heal this is a very

1656
01:09:58,240 --> 01:09:54,550
interesting I think the psychosomatic

1657
01:10:00,520 --> 01:09:58,250
phenomenon and I think what I'm

1658
01:10:03,580 --> 01:10:00,530
suggesting is that the collective human

1659
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:03,590
unconscious at on some level knows that

1660
01:10:07,660 --> 01:10:05,810
we are going to at some point have to

1661
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:07,670
leave this planet we're going to have to

1662
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:10,010
get out there and see the universe in

1663
01:10:14,020 --> 01:10:12,050
order to save ourselves because

1664
01:10:16,750 --> 01:10:14,030
eventually we're going to be hit by a

1665
01:10:18,820 --> 01:10:16,760
you know of you know of like a

1666
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:18,830
Cretaceous ending asteroid event that

1667
01:10:24,450 --> 01:10:20,930
happened 65 million years ago or the

1668
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:24,460
sun's gonna going to go into a spasm and

1669
01:10:29,200 --> 01:10:27,530
fry the earth or eventually in a billion

1670
01:10:31,360 --> 01:10:29,210
in plus years it's going to go supernova

1671
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:31,370
so I think collectively we all know this

1672
01:10:37,870 --> 01:10:34,010
and so I think what we're doing on some

1673
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:37,880
level is manifesting real phenomena that

1674
01:10:43,780 --> 01:10:40,970
are inspiring us and and motivating us

1675
01:10:46,750 --> 01:10:43,790
to get off planet to get out there and

1676
01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,760
see the universe like a breath of wind

1677
01:10:51,670 --> 01:10:49,040
blowing a dandelion and all the little

1678
01:10:53,530 --> 01:10:51,680
dandelion seeds go flying off into the

1679
01:10:55,290 --> 01:10:53,540
wind at some point we're going to have

1680
01:10:58,030 --> 01:10:55,300
to do that for the human race to survive

1681
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:58,040
there may be some sort of evolutionary

1682
01:11:03,700 --> 01:11:00,800
imperative that is contained within the

1683
01:11:06,220 --> 01:11:03,710
collective unconscious again I do go

1684
01:11:07,390 --> 01:11:06,230
with the Carl Jung idea of the

1685
01:11:10,150 --> 01:11:07,400
collective unconscious is a

1686
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:10,160
manifestation of very basic symbols in

1687
01:11:14,290 --> 01:11:12,410
all cultures around the planet so I mean

1688
01:11:16,050 --> 01:11:14,300
we really need to get creative and start

1689
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,060
factoring now closed system

1690
01:11:20,590 --> 01:11:18,320
possibilities closest some explanations

1691
01:11:23,230 --> 01:11:20,600
before we get Antep amorphic enough to

1692
01:11:26,290 --> 01:11:23,240
jump off planet Greg where were you

1693
01:11:28,420 --> 01:11:26,300
jumping with this where am i jumping I

1694
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,430
thought of a few things while people was

1695
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:30,080
talking when was a government angle

1696
01:11:35,050 --> 01:11:32,770
which a couple of the you know Chris and

1697
01:11:40,630 --> 01:11:35,060
Nick mentioned that I wrote

1698
01:11:42,700 --> 01:11:40,640
called project beta or beta Nikita the

1699
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:42,710
what that book dealt with was the the

1700
01:11:48,040 --> 01:11:45,890
story of a guy who was basically looking

1701
01:11:52,710 --> 01:11:48,050
at things he wasn't supposed to he was

1702
01:11:56,020 --> 01:11:52,720
looking at US government operations

1703
01:11:59,140 --> 01:11:56,030
exercises things like that at a military

1704
01:12:02,590 --> 01:11:59,150
base in New Mexico now he thought it was

1705
01:12:05,260 --> 01:12:02,600
aliens and UFOs from from other planets

1706
01:12:07,720 --> 01:12:05,270
and he told the military that and they

1707
01:12:09,070 --> 01:12:07,730
either it wasn't true or they just

1708
01:12:12,220 --> 01:12:09,080
didn't want him to think that

1709
01:12:14,020 --> 01:12:12,230
so they started telling him to continue

1710
01:12:15,250 --> 01:12:14,030
to report to them and eventually what

1711
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:15,260
happened was he added up in a mental

1712
01:12:20,740 --> 01:12:18,260
institution of the government kept all

1713
01:12:22,540 --> 01:12:20,750
its secrets and the book I wrote about

1714
01:12:26,860 --> 01:12:22,550
it people were kind of irritated with it

1715
01:12:29,800 --> 01:12:26,870
because I did not make a lot of UFO what

1716
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:29,810
researchers look very good mainly

1717
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:32,480
because it was a it was a warning people

1718
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:34,370
say why is this important why is this

1719
01:12:38,110 --> 01:12:36,170
government Hangul important and I think

1720
01:12:41,170 --> 01:12:38,120
it's important at least from the

1721
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:41,180
standpoint of what I wrote is because if

1722
01:12:46,240 --> 01:12:42,590
some of these things come down the pike

1723
01:12:49,450 --> 01:12:46,250
again or we are being fooled again by

1724
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:49,460
somebody in the military or in the

1725
01:12:54,700 --> 01:12:52,640
intelligence services of our country or

1726
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:54,710
any country we should look for the you

1727
01:12:58,060 --> 01:12:56,330
know kind of look for the hallmarks of

1728
01:12:59,710 --> 01:12:58,070
that and take things with a grain of

1729
01:13:02,410 --> 01:12:59,720
salt so we can find out a little better

1730
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:02,420
and as for the high strangeness part of

1731
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:03,770
things and what Nick mentioned and

1732
01:13:09,370 --> 01:13:07,160
getting involved that's real interesting

1733
01:13:13,330 --> 01:13:09,380
to me because I think I when he said

1734
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:13,340
that I realized when my mind kind of got

1735
01:13:18,940 --> 01:13:17,330
flipped in from being a asking people

1736
01:13:22,240 --> 01:13:18,950
talking to people doing interviews and

1737
01:13:24,040 --> 01:13:22,250
that to being sort of very deeply

1738
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:24,050
involved with it it was when I

1739
01:13:29,140 --> 01:13:25,850
interviewed a researcher named Carla

1740
01:13:30,850 --> 01:13:29,150
Turner who is dead now the night before

1741
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,860
I interviewed her and she was at she was

1742
01:13:34,030 --> 01:13:32,480
an abduction researcher who Sid claimed

1743
01:13:35,770 --> 01:13:34,040
to have had abductions and her family

1744
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:35,780
had had them UFO abductions as they're

1745
01:13:41,110 --> 01:13:38,090
called the night before I was gonna

1746
01:13:43,530 --> 01:13:41,120
interview her I started waking up I got

1747
01:13:46,770 --> 01:13:43,540
very nervous I couldn't sleep and I

1748
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:46,780
welcome at 2:22 3:33 for forty four or

1749
01:13:51,150 --> 01:13:49,090
five fifty five and six well that's I'm

1750
01:13:53,640 --> 01:13:51,160
sorry that goes if it Chris I hate those

1751
01:13:54,870 --> 01:13:53,650
times I wake up and I would look at the

1752
01:13:57,270 --> 01:13:54,880
clock and that's what time it would be

1753
01:13:59,220 --> 01:13:57,280
and so I went to interview Karla that

1754
01:14:02,040 --> 01:13:59,230
day and I said I said Carla what's going

1755
01:14:04,140 --> 01:14:02,050
on I woke up and she and she said that's

1756
01:14:06,240 --> 01:14:04,150
funny nobody's ever mentioned that at

1757
01:14:08,430 --> 01:14:06,250
least back in 1995 when I met when I

1758
01:14:10,920 --> 01:14:08,440
interviewed her and that's a classic UFO

1759
01:14:12,810 --> 01:14:10,930
abduction scenario that somebody who's

1760
01:14:14,340 --> 01:14:12,820
being affected by beings or whatever you

1761
01:14:16,740 --> 01:14:14,350
want to call them being abducted having

1762
01:14:18,720 --> 01:14:16,750
encounters wakes up at those times I

1763
01:14:20,130 --> 01:14:18,730
said I don't remember any such thing and

1764
01:14:22,230 --> 01:14:20,140
it's never happened to me before

1765
01:14:25,890 --> 01:14:22,240
and and it never happened to me after

1766
01:14:28,020 --> 01:14:25,900
that so what was going on there what was

1767
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:28,030
what was I becoming involved with I

1768
01:14:31,080 --> 01:14:29,770
don't know and there was no way I could

1769
01:14:33,270 --> 01:14:31,090
have gotten that information because

1770
01:14:34,710 --> 01:14:33,280
nobody had ever talked about it so you

1771
01:14:37,260 --> 01:14:34,720
know that the phenomenon becomes

1772
01:14:40,740 --> 01:14:37,270
recursive to you and starts talking to

1773
01:14:42,780 --> 01:14:40,750
you and at that point a lot of the bets

1774
01:14:44,850 --> 01:14:42,790
are off and you've embarked on a

1775
01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:44,860
completely different voyage and you

1776
01:14:48,630 --> 01:14:46,870
signed up for a lot of the time that's

1777
01:14:51,090 --> 01:14:48,640
another reason that why this all this

1778
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:51,100
continues to fascinate me well okay this

1779
01:14:55,260 --> 01:14:53,770
creates a whole bunch of things that we

1780
01:14:57,570 --> 01:14:55,270
can talk about which one of the

1781
01:14:59,460 --> 01:14:57,580
possibilities being that maybe you were

1782
01:15:02,310 --> 01:14:59,470
abducted because you kept getting up at

1783
01:15:04,170 --> 01:15:02,320
those particular times and I can't even

1784
01:15:06,930 --> 01:15:04,180
begin to have you answer that question

1785
01:15:08,580 --> 01:15:06,940
on this segment and we know in a moment

1786
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because we're getting to that time again

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01:20:09,100 --> 01:20:05,590
poke you're listening to the parrot rock

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01:20:10,900 --> 01:20:09,110
this is the co-host roundtable featuring

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01:20:13,810 --> 01:20:10,910
Greg Bishop Nicholas Redfern crawl

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01:20:19,060 --> 01:20:13,820
Kimball Christopher Mo Brian Paul so

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01:20:21,700 --> 01:20:19,070
were you abducted safe to say that the

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01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:21,710
answer to that question is no not for

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01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:24,170
lack of trying to be abducted by any one

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01:20:29,440 --> 01:20:26,810
of a number of young actresses yes I'm

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01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:29,450
gonna say he's married MA so you can't

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01:20:33,730 --> 01:20:31,400
do that anymore who's married Greg's

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01:20:35,980 --> 01:20:33,740
married yes I'm not married well then

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01:20:38,290 --> 01:20:35,990
you want to be abducted yes exactly that

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01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:38,300
was my point all still has a chance I

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01:20:44,050 --> 01:20:40,730
don't okay everybody everybody who got

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01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:44,060
that raise their hands minds everybody's

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01:20:47,130 --> 01:20:44,890
hand is

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01:20:49,200 --> 01:20:47,140
everybody's thumb is down I'm sorry Paul

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01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:49,210
no no that's all right sorry that's what

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01:20:53,610 --> 01:20:51,730
I get for trying to be funny okay I mean

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01:20:56,370 --> 01:20:53,620
we are all trying to be funny I never

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01:20:57,300 --> 01:20:56,380
succeed so anybody who can manage it is

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01:20:59,400 --> 01:20:57,310
just marvelous

1924
01:21:02,040 --> 01:20:59,410
but seriously Greg you think you'd be

1925
01:21:05,280 --> 01:21:02,050
having those crazy experiences getting

1926
01:21:06,900 --> 01:21:05,290
up at those weird hours something really

1927
01:21:08,850 --> 01:21:06,910
happened to you or was it just because

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01:21:11,070 --> 01:21:08,860
you would somehow gotten into some kind

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01:21:13,560 --> 01:21:11,080
of mental rhythm there I think it's more

1930
01:21:15,120 --> 01:21:13,570
of a second because one I don't I didn't

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have any other indication that anything

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01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:18,580
else was amiss and to that I guess you

1933
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know like anybody that's what I choose

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01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:23,770
to believe based on the evidence that um

1935
01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:27,130
came to me then and later and I had

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01:21:30,690 --> 01:21:28,810
nothing else weird happen what other

1937
01:21:33,330 --> 01:21:30,700
weird thing did happen the day after I

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01:21:34,830 --> 01:21:33,340
left when my friend took me to the

1939
01:21:37,170 --> 01:21:34,840
airport he said that when he got back

1940
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:37,180
his neighbors said that two people who

1941
01:21:42,030 --> 01:21:40,330
were dressed in some sort of workman's

1942
01:21:44,100 --> 01:21:42,040
clothes were doing something to his

1943
01:21:46,770 --> 01:21:44,110
water heater it was one of those ones

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01:21:48,860 --> 01:21:46,780
its external outside the house in a

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01:21:51,630 --> 01:21:48,870
metal kind of a little metal shed and

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01:21:52,980 --> 01:21:51,640
they left and before my friend got home

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01:21:54,450 --> 01:21:52,990
the fire department came because the

1948
01:21:56,070 --> 01:21:54,460
water heater caught on fire and almost

1949
01:21:57,690 --> 01:21:56,080
burned the place down and I don't know

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01:21:59,100 --> 01:21:57,700
why they were doing that or what if it

1951
01:22:00,780 --> 01:21:59,110
had any relationship to what had

1952
01:22:04,230 --> 01:22:00,790
happened to us that weekend but it

1953
01:22:05,730 --> 01:22:04,240
seemed like and Chris and Nick I don't

1954
01:22:07,770 --> 01:22:05,740
think particularly and Paul with his

1955
01:22:10,590 --> 01:22:07,780
ghost hunting will confirm this when

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01:22:12,780 --> 01:22:10,600
when you get into certain areas you

1957
01:22:15,510 --> 01:22:12,790
somehow enter some sort of weird field

1958
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:15,520
and things start making either weird

1959
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:17,530
sense or no sense at all but it's all

1960
01:22:21,390 --> 01:22:19,030
happening around you for a little while

1961
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:21,400
and and most the time you can't make

1962
01:22:25,160 --> 01:22:23,890
head or tail of it but you seem to be in

1963
01:22:28,110 --> 01:22:25,170
the center of it and if you're lucky

1964
01:22:30,270 --> 01:22:28,120
sometimes you get you might get a lesson

1965
01:22:31,980 --> 01:22:30,280
out of it if you're unlucky it drives

1966
01:22:34,590 --> 01:22:31,990
you crazy and you drop out of the field

1967
01:22:36,330 --> 01:22:34,600
I suppose I know it's funny ladies and

1968
01:22:38,610 --> 01:22:36,340
gentlemen I dropped out of the UFO field

1969
01:22:39,750 --> 01:22:38,620
three or four times in my life and I

1970
01:22:41,610 --> 01:22:39,760
don't know if I can answer that question

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01:22:44,010 --> 01:22:41,620
I don't think anything weird happened to

1972
01:22:47,070 --> 01:22:44,020
me but Paul you were involved in a

1973
01:22:49,980 --> 01:22:47,080
Canadian produced ghost hunting type TV

1974
01:22:52,050 --> 01:22:49,990
show did you ever meet up with a ghost

1975
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:52,060
or something really weird well those are

1976
01:22:55,050 --> 01:22:52,960
two different questions

1977
01:22:56,250 --> 01:22:55,060
so did I ever meet up with a ghost I

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01:22:58,080 --> 01:22:56,260
don't know

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01:23:00,900 --> 01:22:58,090
and even if I did I'm not sure I don't

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01:23:03,150 --> 01:23:00,910
because I'm not sure what anybody means

1981
01:23:04,440 --> 01:23:03,160
by ghosts but I'll adopt the definition

1982
01:23:07,200 --> 01:23:04,450
that you mean somebody has died and

1983
01:23:08,910 --> 01:23:07,210
passed on to the the next realm if there

1984
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:08,920
is such an extra granted let's use that

1985
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:10,480
one sure I don't know

1986
01:23:14,670 --> 01:23:12,040
beats me did I have any weird

1987
01:23:17,940 --> 01:23:14,680
experiences sure absolutely I mean you

1988
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:17,950
can't go as Holly and I did mykos Holly

1989
01:23:23,340 --> 01:23:21,430
Stevenson I did too twelve actually

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01:23:28,050 --> 01:23:23,350
thirteen different allegedly haunted

1991
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:28,060
locations and even if you know by sort

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01:23:32,160 --> 01:23:30,489
of process of osmosis you hear that you

1993
01:23:33,780 --> 01:23:32,170
know that these are supposedly haunted

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01:23:36,030 --> 01:23:33,790
going in it's not like you operate in

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01:23:37,800 --> 01:23:36,040
the vacuum even if your crew just drove

1996
01:23:39,210 --> 01:23:37,810
you to a house and dropped you off you'd

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01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:39,220
still know that the crew is driving you

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01:23:43,110 --> 01:23:41,110
into a house that was supposedly beyond

1999
01:23:44,490 --> 01:23:43,120
was supposedly haunted why because

2000
01:23:47,490 --> 01:23:44,500
you're doing a ghost hunting show not a

2001
01:23:49,410 --> 01:23:47,500
cooking show so any ghost hunter and I

2002
01:23:51,210 --> 01:23:49,420
use the term ghost hunter not to need a

2003
01:23:53,070 --> 01:23:51,220
particular series but any so-called

2004
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:53,080
ghost investigator that shows up on TV

2005
01:23:56,850 --> 01:23:55,570
and tries to pretend well we had no idea

2006
01:24:00,180 --> 01:23:56,860
what to expect

2007
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:00,190
Yeah right you absolutely know what to

2008
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:01,450
expect and you've been briefed so maybe

2009
01:24:05,580 --> 01:24:03,489
there's things playing on your mind even

2010
01:24:07,770 --> 01:24:05,590
taking that into account

2011
01:24:09,660 --> 01:24:07,780
there are ways where you can sort of

2012
01:24:12,060 --> 01:24:09,670
find you always find new things out when

2013
01:24:14,580 --> 01:24:12,070
you get there and sure there were five

2014
01:24:18,330 --> 01:24:14,590
six at least six of the places we went

2015
01:24:20,310 --> 01:24:18,340
that I think Holly or I or in some cases

2016
01:24:22,080 --> 01:24:20,320
Holly and I together had what I would

2017
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:22,090
call a genuinely weird experience

2018
01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:24,250
doesn't mean that it couldn't be

2019
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:26,650
explained in prosaic terms it just means

2020
01:24:31,979 --> 01:24:28,810
that I can't explain it in prosaic terms

2021
01:24:34,620 --> 01:24:31,989
and I've tried so you know but what that

2022
01:24:36,570 --> 01:24:34,630
means I don't know all it means is

2023
01:24:39,750 --> 01:24:36,580
something strange happened to us and I

2024
01:24:41,370 --> 01:24:39,760
use one or two on us okay um sure

2025
01:24:43,200 --> 01:24:41,380
actually I'm trying to cuz I've done a

2026
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:43,210
lot of shows promoting this including an

2027
01:24:47,100 --> 01:24:45,010
episode of the podcast that if you go in

2028
01:24:49,950 --> 01:24:47,110
the archives Holly and I were on back in

2029
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:49,960
April of 2009 I think and we talked to

2030
01:24:56,040 --> 01:24:53,890
about ghost cases one of the ones that I

2031
01:24:58,920 --> 01:24:56,050
haven't really talked about quite so

2032
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,930
much is and which involves physical well

2033
01:25:03,330 --> 01:25:01,360
it involves yeah physical evidence I

2034
01:25:05,370 --> 01:25:03,340
guess we were at the Algonquin Hotel

2035
01:25:07,979 --> 01:25:05,380
which is insane and juicy Brunswick on

2036
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:07,989
the main border very creepy very old

2037
01:25:10,710 --> 01:25:09,010
hotel

2038
01:25:12,540 --> 01:25:10,720
and there were a number of sort of ghost

2039
01:25:13,979 --> 01:25:12,550
stories about this place I think every

2040
01:25:16,050 --> 01:25:13,989
building in the Maritime Provinces in

2041
01:25:18,300 --> 01:25:16,060
Canada's haunted there's always a story

2042
01:25:20,670 --> 01:25:18,310
but one of the particular stories that

2043
01:25:23,010 --> 01:25:20,680
we focused on was a bride in one of the

2044
01:25:24,330 --> 01:25:23,020
rooms on the fourth floor she about a

2045
01:25:24,690 --> 01:25:24,340
hundred years ago had showed up for her

2046
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:24,700
wedding

2047
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:27,450
the husband have jilted her at the altar

2048
01:25:31,080 --> 01:25:29,440
although for some reason my my

2049
01:25:33,690 --> 01:25:31,090
co-producer didn't want me to use thorn

2050
01:25:34,950 --> 01:25:33,700
gel tit in my narration I I still don't

2051
01:25:37,530 --> 01:25:34,960
understand that but that was my

2052
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:37,540
co-producer um but she was jilted at the

2053
01:25:40,680 --> 01:25:39,130
altar so she went up to the fourth floor

2054
01:25:42,900 --> 01:25:40,690
and as the story goes she jumped out the

2055
01:25:45,030 --> 01:25:42,910
window and killed herself well perfect

2056
01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:45,040
and now people have reported seeing her

2057
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:47,290
in the hallway and experiencing things

2058
01:25:51,000 --> 01:25:48,970
in the room so Holly and I would run the

2059
01:25:52,680 --> 01:25:51,010
segment we called spooky hour where we'd

2060
01:25:54,930 --> 01:25:52,690
spend about an hour in whatever the

2061
01:25:56,460 --> 01:25:54,940
supposedly haunted room was and try and

2062
01:25:58,500 --> 01:25:56,470
make contact from you know see if

2063
01:26:00,450 --> 01:25:58,510
anything would happen so with us maybe

2064
01:26:03,090 --> 01:26:00,460
one or two mites to give it as kooky

2065
01:26:04,890 --> 01:26:03,100
ambience for television because again if

2066
01:26:06,540 --> 01:26:04,900
anybody on the television show tells you

2067
01:26:07,950 --> 01:26:06,550
that they're not ramping it up because

2068
01:26:10,410 --> 01:26:07,960
it's television they're lying

2069
01:26:11,700 --> 01:26:10,420
so I feel problem telling you yeah sure

2070
01:26:13,460 --> 01:26:11,710
we lit the room to make it look slightly

2071
01:26:15,510 --> 01:26:13,470
spooky ER because its television people

2072
01:26:17,790 --> 01:26:15,520
at the end of the day it's entertainment

2073
01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:17,800
but we also took what we were doing

2074
01:26:20,910 --> 01:26:19,270
seriously so you got the lights you got

2075
01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:20,920
us you got the camera set up and that's

2076
01:26:26,790 --> 01:26:23,650
it so we sit there I do my stick because

2077
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:26,800
I'm single and I had I was a long-term

2078
01:26:30,900 --> 01:26:28,570
relationship that broke up I focused on

2079
01:26:32,550 --> 01:26:30,910
that I figured luck you got dumped mine

2080
01:26:34,830 --> 01:26:32,560
didn't work out you know I tried to pick

2081
01:26:35,400 --> 01:26:34,840
up the ghost for lack of a better way of

2082
01:26:38,820 --> 01:26:35,410
putting it

2083
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:38,830
but I think I think quite upset Holly

2084
01:26:42,930 --> 01:26:41,050
she was you know usual she was more

2085
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:42,940
upset than she usually was with me and

2086
01:26:47,490 --> 01:26:45,730
I'd done some pretty strange things so

2087
01:26:49,050 --> 01:26:47,500
anyway nothing really happened we went

2088
01:26:51,180 --> 01:26:49,060
on did our business did some other

2089
01:26:52,890 --> 01:26:51,190
things ran some other sort of segments

2090
01:26:54,570 --> 01:26:52,900
and then the crew and I were all going

2091
01:26:57,330 --> 01:26:54,580
to pack up you know we're done thank you

2092
01:27:00,000 --> 01:26:57,340
and Holly what we had set up DVR cameras

2093
01:27:01,500 --> 01:27:00,010
small mini DV infrared cameras

2094
01:27:03,420 --> 01:27:01,510
throughout the hotel we did that every

2095
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:03,430
place we went standard tools of the

2096
01:27:07,200 --> 01:27:05,050
ghost investigating trade you'll see the

2097
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:07,210
monk Ghost Hunters all those shows so we

2098
01:27:11,700 --> 01:27:09,489
had set one up in that room right by

2099
01:27:13,950 --> 01:27:11,710
where the window was but pointing in to

2100
01:27:15,090 --> 01:27:13,960
so you could see the room it was just

2101
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:15,100
best place to put it

2102
01:27:20,130 --> 01:27:17,920
we had the station a computer station in

2103
01:27:21,750 --> 01:27:20,140
at the opposite wall that just happened

2104
01:27:22,710 --> 01:27:21,760
to be where we after Holly and I have

2105
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:22,720
been done in that

2106
01:27:25,620 --> 01:27:24,490
the crew had setup because we were done

2107
01:27:27,420 --> 01:27:25,630
in that room they said fine we'll put

2108
01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:27,430
the computer panel here that monitors

2109
01:27:31,590 --> 01:27:29,380
all the DVR things because we had moved

2110
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:31,600
on somewhere else now there was nobody

2111
01:27:34,860 --> 01:27:33,250
in the room Holly came back in and if

2112
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:34,870
she tells it later she said she felt

2113
01:27:39,240 --> 01:27:36,730
like she had to apologize to the spirit

2114
01:27:41,550 --> 01:27:39,250
of the wife if are the bride she was

2115
01:27:43,290 --> 01:27:41,560
there for me I'm brassed Holly to

2116
01:27:45,330 --> 01:27:43,300
apologize for me but she felt she had to

2117
01:27:48,180 --> 01:27:45,340
so she goes back in and she just

2118
01:27:49,710 --> 01:27:48,190
gravitates towards the monitor you know

2119
01:27:51,990 --> 01:27:49,720
it's the bright shiny thing in a dark

2120
01:27:53,760 --> 01:27:52,000
room that showing pictures so she just

2121
01:27:55,500 --> 01:27:53,770
naturally went there to have a look and

2122
01:27:57,000 --> 01:27:55,510
she kneels down on the stool to take a

2123
01:27:59,130 --> 01:27:57,010
look at it from the wall

2124
01:28:01,170 --> 01:27:59,140
right beside her head and this is being

2125
01:28:02,850 --> 01:28:01,180
picked up on the DVR camera that is

2126
01:28:05,640 --> 01:28:02,860
recording from the window in this

2127
01:28:07,620 --> 01:28:05,650
direction and I'm not a you know I think

2128
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:07,630
up until this point I thought ever you

2129
01:28:12,480 --> 01:28:09,330
are about the planet could be explained

2130
01:28:15,420 --> 01:28:12,490
in prison terms but here's what happens

2131
01:28:17,640 --> 01:28:15,430
an orb forms right next to her head and

2132
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:17,650
flies directly across the room in a

2133
01:28:21,690 --> 01:28:19,450
straight line you know like a beat

2134
01:28:24,180 --> 01:28:21,700
doesn't some piece of dust it's a

2135
01:28:25,650 --> 01:28:24,190
straight line and right out although you

2136
01:28:27,570 --> 01:28:25,660
can't see it leave but right by the

2137
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camera right where the window is that

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the bride supposedly jumped out of now

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to me that's that's very interesting and

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people we've shown that to including a

2141
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show on A&E which is going to be showing

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in the u.s. they were so interested in

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it it's the kind of thing that you

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really don't see on Ghost Hunters or any

2145
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of these other shows when we happen to

2146
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catch it but what makes it even more

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interesting for me is that just after

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the orb flies past Holly's head

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manifests and flies past her head while

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it's still on screen she turns around

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she turns around and looks directly at

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the window the path that the orb is

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taking as if she put it later as if she

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felt like maybe she sent something

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behind her now that's a story that

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contains a lot of moving parts I wasn't

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even there but I can review the footage

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I can look at it I have the greatest

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respect for Holly who has a bachelor's

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degree in science she's not a wing nut

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she's a skeptic like me and both of us

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came out of that thinking that there may

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actually have been something paranormal

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happening there couldn't prove it beyond

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a reasonable doubt all you can do is

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show people the footage and show them

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ollie and let her tell her you know why

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she turned around and say it's not just

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one thing that you can discount you have

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to discount both things her reaction and

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what you see on the screen good luck

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Nicholas Redfern Greg Bishop Paul

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more I told it it has everything we are

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Oh Network here in the darkest you never

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our special qfo paranormal roundtable

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featuring our co-host Chris O'Brien Paul

2285
01:34:23,620 --> 01:34:21,170
Kimball Nick Redfern Greg Bishop now

2286
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Paul we should mention also that most of

2287
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the so-called orb photos are really just

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dust reflections right yeah and you know

2289
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camera artifacts also I mean you should

2290
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come into to my apartment there's dust

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flying everywhere in fact your entire

2292
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apartment is I understand an orb

2293
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reflection it's an or not fair it's just

2294
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an orb an orb factory yeah I I go out on

2295
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the sidewalk in the army

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horn farm I like that I go on the

2297
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sidewalk free range orbs everybody you

2298
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know I sort of seldom along with

2299
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lemonade two little kids walking by have

2300
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you my nights a lot money by the way

2301
01:34:57,580 --> 01:34:54,559
ladies and gentlemen he's got a

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franchise opportunity for you yeah or

2303
01:35:02,379 --> 01:35:00,710
being the Corby's orbs Emporium so there

2304
01:35:04,029 --> 01:35:02,389
you go check it on the internet if you

2305
01:35:05,399 --> 01:35:04,039
can remember that I think I'm buddy's

2306
01:35:09,160 --> 01:35:05,409
gonna register that name right now

2307
01:35:12,069 --> 01:35:09,170
probably so I had seen umpteen numbers

2308
01:35:14,080 --> 01:35:12,079
of photos of orbs we even recorded video

2309
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:14,090
of orbs which I would look at and I

2310
01:35:18,250 --> 01:35:16,010
would go well that's clearly dust or

2311
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:18,260
it's just moving like dust you know dust

2312
01:35:24,250 --> 01:35:21,530
I don't find anything remotely anomalous

2313
01:35:25,810 --> 01:35:24,260
about this my co-producer who was

2314
01:35:28,270 --> 01:35:25,820
perhaps a little more interested than

2315
01:35:30,759 --> 01:35:28,280
ratings than I am or perhaps he believed

2316
01:35:32,799 --> 01:35:30,769
I don't know he took them more seriously

2317
01:35:34,120 --> 01:35:32,809
to get me to put them in an episode I

2318
01:35:36,009 --> 01:35:34,130
was just like right great

2319
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I'm not doing the narration for it get

2320
01:35:40,390 --> 01:35:37,760
Holly to do it because I can't do it

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with a straight face with the exception

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of the Algonquian and you know this is

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why I think people should take seriously

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a guy like me when I say something like

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this because there you are I basically

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just said 99.999% of all the arms can be

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explained but then a guy like me comes

2328
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forward a true skeptic and I say you

2329
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know what I can't explain this one

2330
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particularly given the circumstances so

2331
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I think don't listen to the believers

2332
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and people know what I mean when I say

2333
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that don't listen to what Greg would

2334
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call the fundamentalist skeptics the

2335
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people who did I call them disbelievers

2336
01:36:15,310 --> 01:36:12,710
they're the two sides of the same coin

2337
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listen to the true skeptic the people

2338
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that are not convinced but keep an open

2339
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mind and I think all four of us here in

2340
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our own ways are true skeptics and gene

2341
01:36:27,590 --> 01:36:24,179
- I met the four

2342
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co-hosts and when people afterthought by

2343
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the way lays vomit yet I'm the

2344
01:36:32,090 --> 01:36:30,960
afterthought don't worry about me I'm

2345
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:32,100
just the fly in the wall

2346
01:36:36,050 --> 01:36:33,540
yeah well he's you're not involved with

2347
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organic or bees orb Emporium so I wish

2348
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I'd wise I could use the extra cash you

2349
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know maybe we can do a deal on the side

2350
01:36:44,990 --> 01:36:41,850
here ground floor he just announced it

2351
01:36:46,729 --> 01:36:45,000
that's right crafted floor of organic or

2352
01:36:48,620 --> 01:36:46,739
bees that's gonna be my facebook update

2353
01:36:51,169 --> 01:36:48,630
later tonight Paulus now the manager or

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via the gorby's orb Emporium and

2355
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nobody'll know what I mean and funds and

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farm sorry yes by the way we can't run a

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stock offering there certain SEC

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regulations you know I understand

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Assembly John or feel don't care about

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the SEC but we have be a red Sean Morton

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will you know who doesn't care about the

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SEC gene Canadians right you're Canadian

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so you have your own the thought you

2364
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have some kind of equivalent agency out

2365
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:17,460
there yeah probably

2366
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I don't worry about them the fence you

2367
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know until I come knock on my door with

2368
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their hooded soldiers or whatever that

2369
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:24,210
ladies and gentlemen if you are

2370
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listening in Canada you are a hooded

2371
01:37:31,310 --> 01:37:28,949
soldier look up Paul's address you know

2372
01:37:33,080 --> 01:37:31,320
which address he's using right now you

2373
01:37:34,550 --> 01:37:33,090
know where he is you know what he's

2374
01:37:36,830 --> 01:37:34,560
doing you know how to go after him go

2375
01:37:38,510 --> 01:37:36,840
ahead sure I permission there's all

2376
01:37:39,950 --> 01:37:38,520
sorts of them they were busy oppressing

2377
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:39,960
you know peace-loving citizens in

2378
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Toronto at the g20 just a week ago so

2379
01:37:45,200 --> 01:37:43,710
I'm sure they sure they have nothing

2380
01:37:46,399 --> 01:37:45,210
better to do right now so send him on

2381
01:37:49,100 --> 01:37:46,409
down to Halifax Here I am

2382
01:37:52,220 --> 01:37:49,110
come on down boys see we never discuss

2383
01:37:53,450 --> 01:37:52,230
politics here right but you know is

2384
01:37:55,610 --> 01:37:53,460
something that goes back to what we were

2385
01:37:57,950 --> 01:37:55,620
talking about earlier about government

2386
01:38:01,310 --> 01:37:57,960
projects black project secret government

2387
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stuff anybody amongst this panel pay any

2388
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heat at all to the claims of secret

2389
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government's secret leadership that kind

2390
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of stuff anybody want to jump in

2391
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somebody jump in by you sometimes the

2392
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head well sometimes you know I would say

2393
01:38:18,770 --> 01:38:16,140
so to the effect that's in the event of

2394
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:18,780
a national emergency there are rules and

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regulations in place to was it overthrow

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the government but basically to you know

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embark on a path that it came to like

2398
01:38:32,360 --> 01:38:29,489
martial law there's no doubt about that

2399
01:38:35,300 --> 01:38:32,370
I mean back in England for example in

2400
01:38:37,280 --> 01:38:35,310
the late 1990s I mean I remember a

2401
01:38:37,880 --> 01:38:37,290
friend of mine who had connections with

2402
01:38:39,410 --> 01:38:37,890
the British

2403
01:38:40,970 --> 01:38:39,420
which home office actually showed me a

2404
01:38:44,060 --> 01:38:40,980
number of documents drawn up in November

2405
01:38:46,190 --> 01:38:44,070
you know there was a nuclear war the

2406
01:38:48,910 --> 01:38:46,200
document which I actually have copies of

2407
01:38:53,540 --> 01:38:48,920
which talk about you know things like

2408
01:38:55,430 --> 01:38:53,550
invoking invoking martial law using tear

2409
01:38:58,220 --> 01:38:55,440
gas on people to prevent them getting to

2410
01:38:59,540 --> 01:38:58,230
food supplies and things like that you

2411
01:39:02,090 --> 01:38:59,550
know and that's only one step away from

2412
01:39:04,550 --> 01:39:02,100
firing squads etc in you know

2413
01:39:07,490 --> 01:39:04,560
international emergency like a nuclear

2414
01:39:08,690 --> 01:39:07,500
attack localized or countrywide any

2415
01:39:10,760 --> 01:39:08,700
country right of course it could

2416
01:39:13,850 --> 01:39:10,770
probably be nobody around to control

2417
01:39:17,330 --> 01:39:13,860
things anyway but you know I think

2418
01:39:19,070 --> 01:39:17,340
whether or not you agree or perceive

2419
01:39:22,670 --> 01:39:19,080
that as being like a secret government

2420
01:39:25,250 --> 01:39:22,680
or you perceive it as being the extreme

2421
01:39:29,150 --> 01:39:25,260
form of government in the event of the

2422
01:39:31,580 --> 01:39:29,160
most mind-numbing worst disaster ever I

2423
01:39:33,980 --> 01:39:31,590
think he's kind of a midpoint you know

2424
01:39:35,510 --> 01:39:33,990
do I think the Bilderberg is going to

2425
01:39:37,790 --> 01:39:35,520
take over the world tomorrow with the

2426
01:39:40,490 --> 01:39:37,800
help of the reptilians no I challenge

2427
01:39:42,440 --> 01:39:40,500
them okay Chris you know because you

2428
01:39:45,350 --> 01:39:42,450
covered all those strange events in San

2429
01:39:48,710 --> 01:39:45,360
Luis Valley anything amongst all those

2430
01:39:51,100 --> 01:39:48,720
crazy things give you the impression of

2431
01:39:54,920 --> 01:39:51,110
government involvement of some sort

2432
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:54,930
absolutely a in terms of the operative

2433
01:40:00,890 --> 01:39:57,170
word there gene is is impression yes

2434
01:40:03,650 --> 01:40:00,900
many times I was impressed can I prove

2435
01:40:06,410 --> 01:40:03,660
any of the you know some sort of

2436
01:40:09,250 --> 01:40:06,420
nefarious agenda that could you know

2437
01:40:12,950 --> 01:40:09,260
somehow be you know connecting all these

2438
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:12,960
what seemed to be divergent events no I

2439
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:15,570
can't but if I have a wave of UFO

2440
01:40:22,030 --> 01:40:18,330
sightings and you know several dozen

2441
01:40:25,010 --> 01:40:22,040
reports and also military convoys that

2442
01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:25,020
nobody can really identify are zipping

2443
01:40:30,050 --> 01:40:27,510
around the you know the valley in one

2444
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:30,060
case are you know we have a National

2445
01:40:33,680 --> 01:40:32,250
Guard unit that used to be a medical

2446
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:33,690
unit now it's a military police unit

2447
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:36,330
they were sent out for training on some

2448
01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:38,820
maneuvers I think in another state and

2449
01:40:44,420 --> 01:40:41,310
while they were gone there seemed to be

2450
01:40:45,270 --> 01:40:44,430
military convoys being reported on by a

2451
01:40:46,890 --> 01:40:45,280
number of witness

2452
01:40:51,060 --> 01:40:46,900
zipping around the valley right at the

2453
01:40:53,490 --> 01:40:51,070
height of a UFO wave now I personally am

2454
01:40:55,400 --> 01:40:53,500
impressed by that can I prove that

2455
01:40:59,460 --> 01:40:55,410
there's any sort of connection between

2456
01:41:03,150 --> 01:40:59,470
the parents of a you know shadowy convoy

2457
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:03,160
the activity you know on that weekend no

2458
01:41:06,870 --> 01:41:04,810
I can't I'd they're made be no

2459
01:41:09,500 --> 01:41:06,880
connection at all it may be some sort of

2460
01:41:11,940 --> 01:41:09,510
coincidence or meaningful synchronicity

2461
01:41:12,930 --> 01:41:11,950
what-have-you but you know I really

2462
01:41:16,980 --> 01:41:12,940
think that the military-industrial

2463
01:41:19,470 --> 01:41:16,990
complex that that nefarious multi headed

2464
01:41:21,810 --> 01:41:19,480
beast that Eisenhower warned us of when

2465
01:41:24,330 --> 01:41:21,820
he was leaving office you know people

2466
01:41:27,930 --> 01:41:24,340
say well is there going to be disclosure

2467
01:41:30,330 --> 01:41:27,940
of the UFO mystery and what our

2468
01:41:33,630 --> 01:41:30,340
government knows is the government going

2469
01:41:35,790 --> 01:41:33,640
to disclose this heck no it's the

2470
01:41:38,760 --> 01:41:35,800
military-industrial complex that in my

2471
01:41:41,490 --> 01:41:38,770
opinion that probably has the you know

2472
01:41:43,440 --> 01:41:41,500
is holding the strings of knowledge I

2473
01:41:45,540 --> 01:41:43,450
think in many ways I think our elected

2474
01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:45,550
officials are probably as out of the

2475
01:41:50,640 --> 01:41:48,250
loop about much of this stuff as we are

2476
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:50,650
and I think it's it's your aerospace

2477
01:41:56,700 --> 01:41:53,770
companies that you're your high tech you

2478
01:41:58,230 --> 01:41:56,710
know black project developers I think

2479
01:42:00,570 --> 01:41:58,240
they're the ones that are probably the

2480
01:42:03,950 --> 01:42:00,580
ones that are writing hurt on a lot of

2481
01:42:07,770 --> 01:42:03,960
this information so when we say black

2482
01:42:10,920 --> 01:42:07,780
projects government military we also

2483
01:42:14,370 --> 01:42:10,930
have to include the corporations that

2484
01:42:16,020 --> 01:42:14,380
tend to call the shots and much of what

2485
01:42:18,300 --> 01:42:16,030
goes on in at least here in the United

2486
01:42:20,910 --> 01:42:18,310
States they definitely have to be

2487
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:20,920
factored into the equation so you know

2488
01:42:27,720 --> 01:42:23,050
you talk about underground bases you

2489
01:42:30,900 --> 01:42:27,730
talk about exotic aerial craft these

2490
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,910
types of things I sure the government

2491
01:42:35,400 --> 01:42:32,560
probably has a role in this but I think

2492
01:42:38,850 --> 01:42:35,410
a lot of this really is on the doorstep

2493
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,860
of of the high-tech aerospace companies

2494
01:42:44,430 --> 01:42:41,440
and others you know there also were

2495
01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:44,440
reports back in the 1950s that as a

2496
01:42:47,040 --> 01:42:45,460
matter of fact it's one of the

2497
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,050
discussions that have happened over at

2498
01:42:52,950 --> 01:42:49,360
the power cast forms at forum dot the

2499
01:42:56,430 --> 01:42:52,960
power cast come where Ike President

2500
01:42:58,919 --> 01:42:56,440
Eisenhower met et back in the 1950s

2501
01:43:01,830 --> 01:42:58,929
anybody lend credence to any of that

2502
01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:01,840
okay that's a good answer thank you

2503
01:43:06,520 --> 01:43:04,340
haven't heard anything to convince me of

2504
01:43:09,660 --> 01:43:06,530
such things and many things to not

2505
01:43:13,930 --> 01:43:09,670
convince me of it because it's based on

2506
01:43:15,790 --> 01:43:13,940
inferences from documents that have been

2507
01:43:17,319 --> 01:43:15,800
uncovered about Ike's whereabouts when

2508
01:43:19,629 --> 01:43:17,329
he was out here visiting in California

2509
01:43:22,689 --> 01:43:19,639
and Palm Springs in 1956 or seven or

2510
01:43:24,220 --> 01:43:22,699
whenever it was no direct evidence but

2511
01:43:26,830 --> 01:43:24,230
of course there's no direct evidence of

2512
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:26,840
any of these things so you kind of take

2513
01:43:31,390 --> 01:43:29,090
of it under advisement however there are

2514
01:43:33,250 --> 01:43:31,400
people that are willing and and and want

2515
01:43:36,790 --> 01:43:33,260
to believe such things and those are the

2516
01:43:39,069 --> 01:43:36,800
ones that push it as the truth because

2517
01:43:41,589 --> 01:43:39,079
they want it to be the truth now from

2518
01:43:47,470 --> 01:43:41,599
most people's perspective it's just like

2519
01:43:50,020 --> 01:43:47,480
I said inference from a vagueness about

2520
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:50,030
where Ike was for a few hours on one day

2521
01:43:53,529 --> 01:43:52,250
I'm on that trip out to California

2522
01:43:56,020 --> 01:43:53,539
isn't that something where he supposedly

2523
01:43:58,209 --> 01:43:56,030
went to a dentist or something is of

2524
01:44:00,339 --> 01:43:58,219
course I was alive in the 50s but I

2525
01:44:01,930 --> 01:44:00,349
don't remember that particular case but

2526
01:44:04,029 --> 01:44:01,940
some people think I've been alive for so

2527
01:44:07,060 --> 01:44:04,039
long it doesn't matter what case is

2528
01:44:08,290 --> 01:44:07,070
involved I probably must remember it you

2529
01:44:11,169 --> 01:44:08,300
know I remember his e keels wheels

2530
01:44:14,189 --> 01:44:11,179
someone wrote me a letter jeans and his

2531
01:44:16,899 --> 01:44:14,199
wheels don't you we have Paul Kimball

2532
01:44:19,620 --> 01:44:16,909
Nicholas Redfern Greg Bishop Christopher

2533
01:44:22,839 --> 01:44:19,630
O'Brien because they're just great

2534
01:44:25,209 --> 01:44:22,849
co-hosts for the power cast I don't want

2535
01:44:27,729 --> 01:44:25,219
to emphasize one over the other so I

2536
01:44:30,069 --> 01:44:27,739
vary the pace and the introductions

2537
01:44:38,050 --> 01:44:30,079
another hour coming you're in the para

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2556
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2557
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2558
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2559
01:45:25,160 --> 01:45:23,550
stating a central bank issuing the

2560
01:45:26,300 --> 01:45:25,170
public currency is a greater menace to

2561
01:45:28,010 --> 01:45:26,310
the liberties of the people than a

2562
01:45:29,450 --> 01:45:28,020
standing army hi Ted Anderson I'm

2563
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:29,460
placing a free silver dollar in a book

2564
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that explains our monetary system call

2565
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for your copy 800 686 to 237 it's time

2566
01:45:41,690 --> 01:45:38,010
to understand the system call 866 to 237

2567
01:45:46,929 --> 01:45:41,700
that's 800 686 to 237 welcome back to

2568
01:45:52,040 --> 01:45:49,239
you're in the power cast our

2569
01:45:55,219 --> 01:45:52,050
introductory show for the gcn Network

2570
01:45:58,580 --> 01:45:55,229
we're doing a special co-host roundtable

2571
01:46:02,479 --> 01:45:58,590
where a band of experts or near dwells

2572
01:46:04,429 --> 01:46:02,489
whatever you prefer is here to tell you

2573
01:46:06,109 --> 01:46:04,439
how things came to be what they think

2574
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:06,119
about all the word stuff that's going on

2575
01:46:13,370 --> 01:46:10,170
we have Greg Bishop Nick Redfern Paul

2576
01:46:17,779 --> 01:46:13,380
Campbell Christopher O'Brien experts all

2577
01:46:19,790 --> 01:46:17,789
Poe looking from the outside looking in

2578
01:46:22,899 --> 01:46:19,800
as a Canadian what do you think about

2579
01:46:25,189 --> 01:46:22,909
all the government conspiratorial talk

2580
01:46:27,739 --> 01:46:25,199
well it depends on what you mean by

2581
01:46:29,810 --> 01:46:27,749
government conspiracy doing at the am

2582
01:46:31,969 --> 01:46:29,820
sorry the aliens to mean that the

2583
01:46:34,489 --> 01:46:31,979
government has a flying saucer in a

2584
01:46:37,819 --> 01:46:34,499
hangar at wright-patterson or area 51

2585
01:46:40,489 --> 01:46:37,829
know do you do you mean that majestic 12

2586
01:46:42,949 --> 01:46:40,499
exists or some organization like that

2587
01:46:44,419 --> 01:46:42,959
the discarding the secrets probably

2588
01:46:46,779 --> 01:46:44,429
along with the Ark of the Covenant and

2589
01:46:50,509 --> 01:46:46,789
everything else Indiana Jones ever found

2590
01:46:52,759 --> 01:46:50,519
to the alien presence on earth no the

2591
01:46:54,679 --> 01:46:52,769
1955 Eisenhower's story no I mean I

2592
01:46:57,560 --> 01:46:54,689
could just go down list no no no no no

2593
01:46:59,629 --> 01:46:57,570
no does that mean that there are no

2594
01:47:00,979 --> 01:46:59,639
conspiracies of course not does that

2595
01:47:02,870 --> 01:47:00,989
mean that the government isn't involved

2596
01:47:05,419 --> 01:47:02,880
in some really strange freaky

2597
01:47:08,029 --> 01:47:05,429
sometimes there are oftentimes illegal

2598
01:47:10,489 --> 01:47:08,039
things often directed at their own

2599
01:47:12,770 --> 01:47:10,499
citizens well if you don't believe that

2600
01:47:15,529 --> 01:47:12,780
you should buy Greg's book project beta

2601
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:15,539
I've become the pimp you're Greg's

2602
01:47:22,219 --> 01:47:18,449
project data room I said Pisa don't you

2603
01:47:24,529 --> 01:47:22,229
project beta yes beta yes and I

2604
01:47:29,029 --> 01:47:24,539
appreciate it Paul a bleep D took all

2605
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:29,039
the say or that book again Greg it's

2606
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:31,170
good Valentine Anna we've been pimping

2607
01:47:35,959 --> 01:47:32,489
this book we're selling this book

2608
01:47:40,189 --> 01:47:35,969
project beta can we buy it still yes I

2609
01:47:43,399 --> 01:47:40,199
sold on Amazon and on Amazon I guess and

2610
01:47:45,350 --> 01:47:43,409
from probably various used booksellers

2611
01:47:46,939 --> 01:47:45,360
it's been out for a while its I don't

2612
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:46,949
know if it's officially out of print it

2613
01:47:52,129 --> 01:47:49,260
might be but it's a five year old book

2614
01:47:52,899 --> 01:47:52,139
it's still out there and when I have

2615
01:47:56,590 --> 01:47:52,909
another book

2616
01:47:58,450 --> 01:47:56,600
and I will present that one as well I am

2617
01:48:00,790 --> 01:47:58,460
happy we're gonna I was saying I was

2618
01:48:02,229 --> 01:48:00,800
lamenting today that our friend Mac Tony

2619
01:48:05,169 --> 01:48:02,239
it doesn't around because I wanted him

2620
01:48:07,270 --> 01:48:05,179
to draw a comic book about a day in the

2621
01:48:08,709 --> 01:48:07,280
life of Nick Redfern he wakes up in the

2622
01:48:10,660 --> 01:48:08,719
morning there's a book on his pillow

2623
01:48:12,280 --> 01:48:10,670
because he wrote it in his sleep and

2624
01:48:14,080 --> 01:48:12,290
then he proceeds to write three or four

2625
01:48:16,360 --> 01:48:14,090
more books during the day as he's doing

2626
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:16,370
various activities and appear on two or

2627
01:48:20,830 --> 01:48:17,690
three radio shows and television

2628
01:48:22,390 --> 01:48:20,840
programs but at night he's got beats got

2629
01:48:24,640 --> 01:48:22,400
another book about halfway done before

2630
01:48:28,180 --> 01:48:24,650
he passes out that's how prolific Nick

2631
01:48:30,850 --> 01:48:28,190
is okay Nick you know you're the center

2632
01:48:33,189 --> 01:48:30,860
of the conversation here how many books

2633
01:48:35,080 --> 01:48:33,199
have you written about anything and

2634
01:48:37,750 --> 01:48:35,090
Wilco into the navigable carelessly

2635
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:37,760
called monsters of Texas which is all

2636
01:48:42,280 --> 01:48:39,530
right Tripp there's no illogical

2637
01:48:44,530 --> 01:48:42,290
creatures in Texas so again shelled out

2638
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:44,540
there in the near future that was called

2639
01:48:47,770 --> 01:48:46,489
a synchronicity if a Greg brought it up

2640
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:47,780
we just sell AFER's what I did have a

2641
01:48:56,410 --> 01:48:51,610
new book by the way how much money does

2642
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:56,420
Nick Oh Greg for this I shall tell you

2643
01:49:00,700 --> 01:48:58,400
my records but into the percentage we've

2644
01:49:01,930 --> 01:49:00,710
worked out a percentage deal yeah fair

2645
01:49:03,820 --> 01:49:01,940
enough of course that's pretty good

2646
01:49:05,550 --> 01:49:03,830
front-end or back-end goes the backend

2647
01:49:09,700 --> 01:49:05,560
of course you never get any money

2648
01:49:12,010 --> 01:49:09,710
seriously Nick okay so since we dropped

2649
01:49:13,060 --> 01:49:12,020
your name into the pile here how many

2650
01:49:16,330 --> 01:49:13,070
books have you written

2651
01:49:18,760 --> 01:49:16,340
Festo about like 20 something like that

2652
01:49:20,890 --> 01:49:18,770
okay you're getting close to my total I

2653
01:49:26,189 --> 01:49:20,900
have 30 most your technology boxes

2654
01:49:31,149 --> 01:49:26,199
nobody nobody has ever read otherwise

2655
01:49:32,680 --> 01:49:31,159
not mine are you well fine Evan traged I

2656
01:49:35,140 --> 01:49:32,690
get up to like hundred seventy or

2657
01:49:37,360 --> 01:49:35,150
something oh hey yeah hey him and Tim

2658
01:49:40,450 --> 01:49:37,370
exactly and then Chris is in second

2659
01:49:42,729 --> 01:49:40,460
place here with with five new and four

2660
01:49:46,419 --> 01:49:42,739
published in cranks and I would like a

2661
01:49:48,550 --> 01:49:46,429
dip dilate Detroit tim has written about

2662
01:49:52,000 --> 01:49:48,560
400 books wasn't there I won't mention

2663
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:52,010
his name some crazy UFO writer who said

2664
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he was going to do a thousand books a

2665
01:49:58,750 --> 01:49:57,170
year it was a 500 book deal I think it's

2666
01:50:01,450 --> 01:49:58,760
very I heard was a thousand

2667
01:50:03,580 --> 01:50:01,460
do but even more so the fact is what is

2668
01:50:10,060 --> 01:50:03,590
it one word for a book how do you do

2669
01:50:13,660 --> 01:50:10,070
that well yeah when we're saying book 1

2670
01:50:14,890 --> 01:50:13,670
600 pages that are all blank yeah with

2671
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one word and you got to get a

2672
01:50:19,510 --> 01:50:16,520
cliffhanger at the end of each one with

2673
01:50:21,850 --> 01:50:19,520
that one word well you know Walter

2674
01:50:25,150 --> 01:50:21,860
Gibson who was one of the people who

2675
01:50:31,180 --> 01:50:25,160
wrote shadow novels in the 30s and 40s

2676
01:50:35,260 --> 01:50:31,190
he wrote 300 shadow novels 300 when when

2677
01:50:37,900 --> 01:50:35,270
his wife thought not a lot probably well

2678
01:50:40,420 --> 01:50:37,910
they were trinomials like you know it

2679
01:50:41,979 --> 01:50:40,430
would be a book of about 150 pages or

2680
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:41,989
something would be a 3 or 400 page book

2681
01:50:46,570 --> 01:50:45,170
or something like that but 300 probably

2682
01:50:50,940 --> 01:50:46,580
it's probably hard to think when you're

2683
01:50:56,200 --> 01:50:53,290
you know more about this author than we

2684
01:50:58,210 --> 01:50:56,210
do I guess yeah I mean if you wrote 300

2685
01:51:00,850 --> 01:50:58,220
books the wife's got to be doing

2686
01:51:04,870 --> 01:51:00,860
something well he died at the age of 88

2687
01:51:08,290 --> 01:51:04,880
his name was Walter brown Gibson and he

2688
01:51:10,660 --> 01:51:08,300
was a magician and you know if you look

2689
01:51:13,830 --> 01:51:10,670
him up he was one of the people best

2690
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:13,840
known for writing 300 novel length

2691
01:51:20,350 --> 01:51:16,850
shadow stories under the name Maxwell

2692
01:51:23,080 --> 01:51:20,360
grant he wrote up to 10,000 words a day

2693
01:51:26,460 --> 01:51:23,090
during his heyday oh can you do that

2694
01:51:28,810 --> 01:51:26,470
Nick oh god yeah like I think he can I

2695
01:51:32,070 --> 01:51:28,820
probably could but I've had no probably

2696
01:51:34,240 --> 01:51:32,080
a very sad individual if I did stuff

2697
01:51:36,190 --> 01:51:34,250
anyone is there any frame would be

2698
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:36,200
kicking you in places you don't want to

2699
01:51:47,560 --> 01:51:44,370
so Paul when's your book coming out um

2700
01:51:49,270 --> 01:51:47,570
well weirdly enough I was supposed the

2701
01:51:53,470 --> 01:51:49,280
Jim Utley was supposed to co-write one

2702
01:51:55,120 --> 01:51:53,480
on the ghost cases series and I more or

2703
01:51:57,100 --> 01:51:55,130
less kept up my half the bargain and my

2704
01:51:59,680 --> 01:51:57,110
co-author didn't so that book will never

2705
01:52:01,810 --> 01:51:59,690
see the light of day but I am working on

2706
01:52:04,540 --> 01:52:01,820
a book of poetry but it's not paranormal

2707
01:52:07,990 --> 01:52:04,550
poetry so that's that's all I have to

2708
01:52:11,380 --> 01:52:08,000
offer oh well I just I just films I make

2709
01:52:12,970 --> 01:52:11,390
films we can call this film a book in a

2710
01:52:17,110 --> 01:52:12,980
sense because it's a complete project

2711
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:17,120
how many films have you done um well I

2712
01:52:22,690 --> 01:52:20,330
mean I'm gonna have it done 12 13 maybe

2713
01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:22,700
14 documentaries feature films and stuff

2714
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:25,550
but you know one film is probably worth

2715
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:27,920
about five books given the relative pay

2716
01:52:31,180 --> 01:52:29,930
rates so oh I don't want to tell you

2717
01:52:32,740 --> 01:52:31,190
what I used to get for these computer

2718
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:32,750
books I write these computer instruction

2719
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:36,890
books I did close to 30 by I said and I

2720
01:52:41,380 --> 01:52:38,810
got worn out real fast because they

2721
01:52:44,170 --> 01:52:41,390
wanted the complete book in like three

2722
01:52:46,150 --> 01:52:44,180
and a half four weeks whew I was going

2723
01:52:48,490 --> 01:52:46,160
crazy and one day I woke up and said I

2724
01:52:50,140 --> 01:52:48,500
can't do this anymore I mean I don't

2725
01:52:53,140 --> 01:52:50,150
mind writing I've been writing since I

2726
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:53,150
was you know 15 years old but I can't do

2727
01:52:59,250 --> 01:52:56,330
this so here I am this is all I have

2728
01:53:01,540 --> 01:52:59,260
left folks sorry I took a look at my

2729
01:53:03,729 --> 01:53:01,550
LinkedIn page and I've done five

2730
01:53:07,270 --> 01:53:03,739
documentaries related to the paranormal

2731
01:53:09,610 --> 01:53:07,280
and the ghost cases series so twelve

2732
01:53:10,810 --> 01:53:09,620
thirteen episodes rather of ghost

2733
01:53:12,610 --> 01:53:10,820
hunting

2734
01:53:15,070 --> 01:53:12,620
so yeah you hope there's a fair bit of

2735
01:53:17,709 --> 01:53:15,080
paranormal stuff there now you have some

2736
01:53:22,020 --> 01:53:17,719
new films coming out one or two of which

2737
01:53:25,630 --> 01:53:22,030
are straight ahead movies they're not

2738
01:53:26,410 --> 01:53:25,640
documentaries yeah one of them's a well

2739
01:53:28,240 --> 01:53:26,420
yeah

2740
01:53:30,010 --> 01:53:28,250
weirdly enough even though I did a

2741
01:53:32,590 --> 01:53:30,020
feature films about vampires

2742
01:53:35,560 --> 01:53:32,600
so my vampire is a big now I mean

2743
01:53:37,060 --> 01:53:35,570
everybody loves vampires well yeah but I

2744
01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:37,070
mean they were big in the 30s - I mean

2745
01:53:43,330 --> 01:53:39,290
vampires are timeless creatures VII

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01:53:45,970 --> 01:53:43,340
co-wrote to a script with our good

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01:53:48,280 --> 01:53:45,980
friend Mac Tony's which he didn't live

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01:53:50,620 --> 01:53:48,290
long enough to see the script finish but

2749
01:53:52,930 --> 01:53:50,630
based on a short story that he had

2750
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:52,940
written a few years ago so we're hoping

2751
01:53:59,020 --> 01:53:54,530
that that will be in production in 2011

2752
01:54:00,810 --> 01:53:59,030
but yeah you know try and keep busy it

2753
01:54:03,580 --> 01:54:00,820
can't you can't spend all your time

2754
01:54:05,950 --> 01:54:03,590
surfing message boards in the on the

2755
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:05,960
internet about paranormal stuff it does

2756
01:54:11,560 --> 01:54:09,050
tend to get little don't after five or

2757
01:54:14,470 --> 01:54:11,570
six minutes but of course if they have a

2758
01:54:16,660 --> 01:54:14,480
c-level comic book character who really

2759
01:54:19,140 --> 01:54:16,670
needs a first class film his name was

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01:54:21,580 --> 01:54:19,150
Paul Kimball folks it's red star films

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elongated man I really want to do in a

2762
01:54:24,630 --> 01:54:22,120
long game

2763
01:54:26,130 --> 01:54:24,640
man film and and then maybe we can team

2764
01:54:29,490 --> 01:54:26,140
up with the Marvel franchise and have

2765
01:54:31,500 --> 01:54:29,500
mr. fantastic meets elongated man I'm

2766
01:54:35,400 --> 01:54:31,510
not gonna touch that one yeah well it's

2767
01:54:37,650 --> 01:54:35,410
about elongated and Men yeah well you

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01:54:39,930 --> 01:54:37,660
see a character called Plastic Man when

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I was a kid he's like a lot he's

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different but the principles the same

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these guys who can stretch so you know

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there's your super fat there's your

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super power for you comes in handy in a

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bar though I would say if you're in this

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really crowded barn you don't have to

2776
01:54:58,200 --> 01:54:52,800
walk to the bar or frankly the washroom

2777
01:55:00,060 --> 01:54:58,210
stretching is good yeah I'm not going to

2778
01:55:02,310 --> 01:55:00,070
touch that well I should hope not

2779
01:55:05,370 --> 01:55:02,320
that would be because you know we're

2780
01:55:07,590 --> 01:55:05,380
just stretching out here haha yeah you

2781
01:55:10,110 --> 01:55:07,600
want it out show us a little bump in the

2782
01:55:12,150 --> 01:55:10,120
night and trying to figure out why a

2783
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:12,160
film about some character called

2784
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elongated man would work I think they

2785
01:55:20,790 --> 01:55:16,450
gave up on the Fantastic Four franchise

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after two films okay so that was it you

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know by the way this isn't it but we are

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production maybe well I've actually been

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yeah I'd like Paul I but I haven't been

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mr. producer but I have been involved in

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quite a number of actually ghost

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investigations and documentary films in

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the past six years and I am working on

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on something now which I'm not allowed

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to really talk about but I know it

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sounds kind of weird but I have three

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okay well let me put it this way it is a

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follow-up to our inaugural project

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called dead whisper which chronicled a

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crack team of ghost investigators going

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to some of the more notorious haunted

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sites in America and we are doing a

2916
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follow-up piece to that but I can't

2917
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divulge the actual locations where we've

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already done our filming but but yeah I

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am involved pretty extensively in the

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video production realm my literary

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pursuits are my primary focus I am

2922
02:01:23,680 --> 02:01:20,630
working on a follow-up to my my last

2923
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:23,690
book stalking the tricksters and I'm

2924
02:01:28,630 --> 02:01:26,480
also working on a a guidebook to portal

2925
02:01:31,870 --> 02:01:28,640
areas in the southwest United States

2926
02:01:33,250 --> 02:01:31,880
okay they have to define the word portal

2927
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:33,260
areas for people who aren't familiar

2928
02:01:38,600 --> 02:01:36,170
with that terminology you know I've kind

2929
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:38,610
of come up with a with a formula

2930
02:01:44,420 --> 02:01:41,520
which I think if you use it properly

2931
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:44,430
you'll be able to identify an area of

2932
02:01:49,460 --> 02:01:47,070
interest in terms of the paranormal if

2933
02:01:52,550 --> 02:01:49,470
it's an area that has a history of

2934
02:01:54,230 --> 02:01:52,560
sacredness to indigenous peoples who

2935
02:01:56,980 --> 02:01:54,240
lived there for hundreds perhaps

2936
02:01:59,870 --> 02:01:56,990
thousands of years of their sacredness

2937
02:02:01,910 --> 02:01:59,880
attributed to that spot if there's a you

2938
02:02:04,280 --> 02:02:01,920
know a fairly well documented history of

2939
02:02:06,590 --> 02:02:04,290
unusual events UFO sightings crypto

2940
02:02:10,730 --> 02:02:06,600
creatures you know in that sort of thing

2941
02:02:13,790 --> 02:02:10,740
paranormal type phenomena if there's

2942
02:02:16,910 --> 02:02:13,800
unusual geophysical properties that can

2943
02:02:19,820 --> 02:02:16,920
be ascertained about the area whether

2944
02:02:22,460 --> 02:02:19,830
it's the close proximity of maximum

2945
02:02:25,550 --> 02:02:22,470
intensity and minimum intensity magnetic

2946
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:25,560
earth magnetic field interaction in

2947
02:02:30,260 --> 02:02:28,320
close proximity and if the government

2948
02:02:32,240 --> 02:02:30,270
has an interest in the area of presence

2949
02:02:34,400 --> 02:02:32,250
in the area and especially if they're

2950
02:02:37,550 --> 02:02:34,410
trying to expand that presence more

2951
02:02:40,490 --> 02:02:37,560
fully into the area you have pretty much

2952
02:02:43,190 --> 02:02:40,500
I think a formula that will give you an

2953
02:02:47,240 --> 02:02:43,200
indication that a particular region or

2954
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,250
location locale is a potential hot spot

2955
02:02:52,370 --> 02:02:50,400
portal area window area and over the

2956
02:02:54,110 --> 02:02:52,380
years I've done quite a bit of traveling

2957
02:02:57,140 --> 02:02:54,120
around the southwestern United States

2958
02:02:59,420 --> 02:02:57,150
the four corners area and taken quite a

2959
02:03:02,000 --> 02:02:59,430
bit of notes and video and photographs

2960
02:03:03,980 --> 02:03:02,010
of particular areas and I'm putting

2961
02:03:05,630 --> 02:03:03,990
together a guidebook for people who are

2962
02:03:08,150 --> 02:03:05,640
interested in maybe doing road trips

2963
02:03:11,540 --> 02:03:08,160
through the Four Corners area and this

2964
02:03:14,690 --> 02:03:11,550
will be a where to go you know where to

2965
02:03:17,690 --> 02:03:14,700
stay you know the best you know approach

2966
02:03:20,090 --> 02:03:17,700
in a you know depending on the amount of

2967
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:20,100
time you have obviously but for just

2968
02:03:24,980 --> 02:03:22,530
your casual tourists to you know a real

2969
02:03:27,890 --> 02:03:24,990
hard-boiled investigator this is going

2970
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:27,900
to be a guidebook for where to go in in

2971
02:03:30,650 --> 02:03:29,370
the Southwest United States this is

2972
02:03:31,340 --> 02:03:30,660
something I've been working on for quite

2973
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:31,350
some time

2974
02:03:34,850 --> 02:03:32,970
I'm really putting it on the front

2975
02:03:38,150 --> 02:03:34,860
burner so that I can get this thing

2976
02:03:40,910 --> 02:03:38,160
published and get it out there is this

2977
02:03:43,670 --> 02:03:40,920
anything like the TV series from the BBC

2978
02:03:45,530 --> 02:03:43,680
primeval where you might step into a

2979
02:03:47,860 --> 02:03:45,540
portable area and find yourself in the

2980
02:03:51,530 --> 02:03:47,870
past the future somewhere else

2981
02:03:52,330 --> 02:03:51,540
well we don't really know I think it's

2982
02:03:55,020 --> 02:03:52,340
an area

2983
02:03:58,209 --> 02:03:55,030
are you tend to have a clustering of

2984
02:04:01,839 --> 02:03:58,219
various types of so-called paranormal

2985
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:01,849
phenomena and I think these areas of

2986
02:04:06,399 --> 02:04:04,310
Uintah Basin for instance around you

2987
02:04:08,260 --> 02:04:06,409
know the Sherman Ranch Ken Marcou Ranch

2988
02:04:10,859 --> 02:04:08,270
if you will would be an example of one

2989
02:04:13,930 --> 02:04:10,869
the Sedona area here the San Luis Valley

2990
02:04:16,300 --> 02:04:13,940
you know there are other areas around

2991
02:04:21,010 --> 02:04:16,310
the Southwest that they can fit into

2992
02:04:22,629 --> 02:04:21,020
that formulaic sort of scenario and you

2993
02:04:24,910 --> 02:04:22,639
know it would be great

2994
02:04:27,250 --> 02:04:24,920
you know when I was back in college and

2995
02:04:29,410 --> 02:04:27,260
doing you know setting out on a 26,000

2996
02:04:31,060 --> 02:04:29,420
mile road trip around North America you

2997
02:04:33,250 --> 02:04:31,070
know I had this really cool book called

2998
02:04:35,229 --> 02:04:33,260
weird America which was a

2999
02:04:37,629 --> 02:04:35,239
county-by-county state-by-state listing

3000
02:04:39,609 --> 02:04:37,639
of areas where very interesting

3001
02:04:41,800 --> 02:04:39,619
paranormal type events had occurred I'm

3002
02:04:43,660 --> 02:04:41,810
taking that one step further classic

3003
02:04:45,490 --> 02:04:43,670
book if you can find it weird America by

3004
02:04:47,979 --> 02:04:45,500
Jim Branden and then he had a follow up

3005
02:04:49,750 --> 02:04:47,989
book which is probably I think one of

3006
02:04:52,709 --> 02:04:49,760
the most important paranormal books ever

3007
02:04:55,419 --> 02:04:52,719
written which is called rebirth of pan

3008
02:04:58,240 --> 02:04:55,429
the subtitle was hidden faces of the

3009
02:04:59,709 --> 02:04:58,250
American Earth Spirit and I think Chris

3010
02:05:03,520 --> 02:04:59,719
is probable to read that and I'm sure

3011
02:05:05,080 --> 02:05:03,530
that Nick has I'm not sure about Paul no

3012
02:05:07,600 --> 02:05:05,090
it sounds like the trickster by another

3013
02:05:09,790 --> 02:05:07,610
name well it kind of is what it

3014
02:05:12,609 --> 02:05:09,800
basically does is examines North America

3015
02:05:14,709 --> 02:05:12,619
from as far back as you can possibly

3016
02:05:18,339 --> 02:05:14,719
know as he could possibly go when

3017
02:05:20,020 --> 02:05:18,349
there's human habitation and examine

3018
02:05:22,839 --> 02:05:20,030
things like out-of-place artifacts

3019
02:05:25,990 --> 02:05:22,849
meeting things that have been found that

3020
02:05:27,609 --> 02:05:26,000
should be there like things with Greek

3021
02:05:31,359 --> 02:05:27,619
inscriptions on them found underground

3022
02:05:33,220 --> 02:05:31,369
in in rock strata that's a few thousand

3023
02:05:34,959 --> 02:05:33,230
years old and things like that that

3024
02:05:36,370 --> 02:05:34,969
things like this have been found all

3025
02:05:38,500 --> 02:05:36,380
over the United States and then it's

3026
02:05:41,530 --> 02:05:38,510
Chris has said so-called portal areas

3027
02:05:43,750 --> 02:05:41,540
places he said that tend to cost her

3028
02:05:46,450 --> 02:05:43,760
around he said underground places places

3029
02:05:48,129 --> 02:05:46,460
with underground caverns and mines and

3030
02:05:50,770 --> 02:05:48,139
things like that that's just barely

3031
02:05:53,080 --> 02:05:50,780
scratching the surface of it but he also

3032
02:05:57,100 --> 02:05:53,090
talks about the interconnectedness

3033
02:06:00,430 --> 02:05:57,110
seemingly of UFO phenomena Bigfoot goats

3034
02:06:01,919 --> 02:06:00,440
the paranormal in general and it's the

3035
02:06:04,029 --> 02:06:01,929
only book he wrote really about

3036
02:06:05,470 --> 02:06:04,039
specifically

3037
02:06:07,600 --> 02:06:05,480
about the paranormal besides that

3038
02:06:10,720 --> 02:06:07,610
guidebook and it's it's one of those

3039
02:06:12,430 --> 02:06:10,730
things where it happens often somebody

3040
02:06:14,740 --> 02:06:12,440
will bite one book about the paranormal

3041
02:06:15,549 --> 02:06:14,750
this blazing comment and then they never

3042
02:06:20,140 --> 02:06:15,559
touch it again

3043
02:06:22,779 --> 02:06:20,150
Jim Brandon do that Oh who's the will

3044
02:06:24,910 --> 02:06:22,789
William Bramley gods of Eden I've always

3045
02:06:26,620 --> 02:06:24,920
thought a fascinating book - that was a

3046
02:06:28,600 --> 02:06:26,630
one book he wrote about the UFO subject

3047
02:06:30,399 --> 02:06:28,610
and then didn't anymore Keith Thompson's

3048
02:06:32,979 --> 02:06:30,409
book angels and aliens which looks at

3049
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:32,989
the the UFO subject as an evolving

3050
02:06:37,779 --> 02:06:36,320
system of myth which is fascinating that

3051
02:06:40,060 --> 02:06:37,789
was the one book he wrote it was

3052
02:06:43,089 --> 02:06:40,070
excellent that he quit it's happening a

3053
02:06:46,120 --> 02:06:43,099
lot Frank Salisbury and the the you the

3054
02:06:48,879 --> 02:06:46,130
Utah UFO display is very very good book

3055
02:06:51,129 --> 02:06:48,889
very tough to get but again it conforms

3056
02:06:52,660 --> 02:06:51,139
exactly that one book wonder what

3057
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:52,670
surprised you write the one book and

3058
02:06:57,100 --> 02:06:55,010
it's not a best-seller and you want to

3059
02:06:59,649 --> 02:06:57,110
get back to a normal life or how many

3060
02:07:01,600 --> 02:06:59,659
just looks how the UFO books even become

3061
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:01,610
bestsellers people think right we're in

3062
02:07:05,680 --> 02:07:04,159
this crazy field to make money I don't

3063
02:07:07,180 --> 02:07:05,690
think you get into the UFO field to make

3064
02:07:08,799 --> 02:07:07,190
money and if you do get in the UFO field

3065
02:07:10,930 --> 02:07:08,809
to make money you'll be out of it very

3066
02:07:12,729 --> 02:07:10,940
quickly I know there's some who try and

3067
02:07:14,979 --> 02:07:12,739
I think one of the things we've done on

3068
02:07:16,689 --> 02:07:14,989
the power cast over the years is exposed

3069
02:07:19,899 --> 02:07:16,699
a few people I won't mention their names

3070
02:07:24,459 --> 02:07:19,909
they do not deserve the piloto mention

3071
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:24,469
them well you know you mentioned Sean

3072
02:07:30,790 --> 02:07:27,050
David Morton who's has c.c. problems

3073
02:07:33,160 --> 02:07:30,800
we've had bill now who sold books and

3074
02:07:35,169 --> 02:07:33,170
DVDs that he had no authority to sell

3075
02:07:36,850 --> 02:07:35,179
people I didn't think it was that I

3076
02:07:40,149 --> 02:07:36,860
didn't really care until I found out he

3077
02:07:42,189 --> 02:07:40,159
was selling a DVD with my lecture on it

3078
02:07:45,009 --> 02:07:42,199
something I will not meet something I

3079
02:07:47,680 --> 02:07:45,019
had produced in the 1980s like in 1988

3080
02:07:49,779 --> 02:07:47,690
he was selling as as his own and I

3081
02:07:51,490 --> 02:07:49,789
wasn't getting any money off it so yeah

3082
02:07:53,169 --> 02:07:51,500
there's a lot of people to do this and I

3083
02:07:55,350 --> 02:07:53,179
guess you can make money off the folk

3084
02:07:58,569 --> 02:07:55,360
subject if you're unscrupulous enough

3085
02:08:01,779 --> 02:07:58,579
well I guess if you don't put any time

3086
02:08:05,229 --> 02:08:01,789
or effort into it to making the content

3087
02:08:06,609 --> 02:08:05,239
you just go ahead and you use handbrake

3088
02:08:09,459 --> 02:08:06,619
or one of these programs that copies a

3089
02:08:10,839 --> 02:08:09,469
DVD you make unauthorized copies if you

3090
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:10,849
do that well there's no problem then

3091
02:08:15,930 --> 02:08:13,280
because you're not really doing any work

3092
02:08:18,720 --> 02:08:15,940
it takes an hour or two and you just put

3093
02:08:21,300 --> 02:08:18,730
on to the wild sea for some people in

3094
02:08:23,070 --> 02:08:21,310
this field do things hoping to make

3095
02:08:25,380 --> 02:08:23,080
money I think in the end they don't make

3096
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money anyway even if they try to we have

3097
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[Music]

3196
02:13:27,210 --> 02:13:25,200
our co-host roundtable covering the

3197
02:13:29,610 --> 02:13:27,220
paranormal with Greg Bishop Nick Redfern

3198
02:13:32,220 --> 02:13:29,620
and Paul Kimball Chris O'Brien we were

3199
02:13:34,470 --> 02:13:32,230
talking about exposing the fakers what

3200
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:34,480
do you guys think of I mentioned one

3201
02:13:40,650 --> 02:13:36,490
movement that's kind of weird that I

3202
02:13:43,980 --> 02:13:40,660
consider fake misguided whatever EXO

3203
02:13:47,010 --> 02:13:43,990
politics who wants to say something go

3204
02:13:49,230 --> 02:13:47,020
ahead let it loose go ahead guys Greg

3205
02:13:50,940 --> 02:13:49,240
yeah yeah let's all go first because I

3206
02:13:53,550 --> 02:13:50,950
know he's gonna do the best one and then

3207
02:13:55,650 --> 02:13:53,560
we're gonna follow input try and ice

3208
02:13:59,100 --> 02:13:55,660
that cake but I'm not sure if we can go

3209
02:14:02,040 --> 02:13:59,110
Paul yeah I'll add some sprinkles it

3210
02:14:03,750 --> 02:14:02,050
here's my comment on EXO politics I'm

3211
02:14:07,170 --> 02:14:03,760
gonna sum it up in a nutshell I'm gonna

3212
02:14:09,600 --> 02:14:07,180
say right now exactly what it's worth

3213
02:14:11,210 --> 02:14:09,610
the commentary that that we should be

3214
02:14:17,460 --> 02:14:11,220
putting towards it here it comes

3215
02:14:19,500 --> 02:14:17,470
starts with a beep beep beep there you

3216
02:14:21,330 --> 02:14:19,510
go between those two beeps that's what I

3217
02:14:22,890 --> 02:14:21,340
have to say about extra politics the end

3218
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:22,900
effects of politics and we don't need

3219
02:14:28,110 --> 02:14:25,360
the sprinkles we don't need the syrups

3220
02:14:30,480 --> 02:14:28,120
we don't need the whipped cream what

3221
02:14:32,550 --> 02:14:30,490
about disclosure there are some people

3222
02:14:34,200 --> 02:14:32,560
there actively saying hey we've got to

3223
02:14:35,610 --> 02:14:34,210
do something to force the government to

3224
02:14:39,180 --> 02:14:35,620
tell what it snows this goes back to

3225
02:14:41,400 --> 02:14:39,190
major donald key on the 1950s the 1956

3226
02:14:43,680 --> 02:14:41,410
ii wrote a book called the flying saucer

3227
02:14:46,230 --> 02:14:43,690
conspiracy there was a silence group in

3228
02:14:48,630 --> 02:14:46,240
the government keeping UFO information a

3229
02:14:51,210 --> 02:14:48,640
secret so Nick Redfern you've covered

3230
02:14:53,370 --> 02:14:51,220
secrecy's and conspiracies and such what

3231
02:14:55,800 --> 02:14:53,380
do you think about that well you know I

3232
02:14:58,680 --> 02:14:55,810
mean I think there is a certain amount

3233
02:14:59,940 --> 02:14:58,690
of information on UFOs held by when you

3234
02:15:03,180 --> 02:14:59,950
say the government's you know sort of

3235
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:03,190
the quasi collective term for somebody

3236
02:15:07,320 --> 02:15:05,050
hiding something I do think there is

3237
02:15:08,910 --> 02:15:07,330
evidence that we we haven't got to see

3238
02:15:11,580 --> 02:15:08,920
everything that certain people in

3239
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:11,590
officialdom know now the big question is

3240
02:15:16,180 --> 02:15:14,410
whether or not they're planning one day

3241
02:15:18,640 --> 02:15:16,190
to disclose it and of course

3242
02:15:19,990 --> 02:15:18,650
you know disclosure we hear these things

3243
02:15:21,970 --> 02:15:20,000
year-in year-out

3244
02:15:23,650 --> 02:15:21,980
disclosures covering issue oh the

3245
02:15:26,320 --> 02:15:23,660
election means it can report off till

3246
02:15:28,930 --> 02:15:26,330
next year etc etc one of the things I've

3247
02:15:30,850 --> 02:15:28,940
found with people particularly new but

3248
02:15:33,690 --> 02:15:30,860
enthusiastic whether disclosure movement

3249
02:15:35,740 --> 02:15:33,700
is that they're willfully ignorant of

3250
02:15:37,390 --> 02:15:35,750
some of the things have gone on in the

3251
02:15:40,000 --> 02:15:37,400
past which I know Greg will particularly

3252
02:15:42,160 --> 02:15:40,010
be aware of where they've been rumors

3253
02:15:44,830 --> 02:15:42,170
and allegations that government agencies

3254
02:15:47,350 --> 02:15:44,840
are supposedly ravit going to reveal the

3255
02:15:49,540 --> 02:15:47,360
truth now this happens supposedly with

3256
02:15:50,800 --> 02:15:49,550
the Walt Disney Corporation in the 50s

3257
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:50,810
that they were going to be shown or

3258
02:15:55,210 --> 02:15:53,330
given film footage to show the general

3259
02:15:57,640 --> 02:15:55,220
public then there were stories in the

3260
02:15:59,890 --> 02:15:57,650
late 70s and early eighties about Air

3261
02:16:02,230 --> 02:15:59,900
Force intelligence supposedly planning

3262
02:16:04,570 --> 02:16:02,240
to release served information to

3263
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:04,580
elements of the UFO community to again

3264
02:16:09,580 --> 02:16:07,040
prepare people the same sort of things

3265
02:16:10,720 --> 02:16:09,590
happen in the 90s really at there's

3266
02:16:12,610 --> 02:16:10,730
actually enough information there for

3267
02:16:15,040 --> 02:16:12,620
somebody to write a very good paper on

3268
02:16:17,860 --> 02:16:15,050
how the whole disclosure movement has

3269
02:16:19,960 --> 02:16:17,870
had its precursors with these attempts

3270
02:16:21,850 --> 02:16:19,970
or quasi attempts if you like on the

3271
02:16:23,620 --> 02:16:21,860
part of the government to quote release

3272
02:16:25,990 --> 02:16:23,630
information which conveniently never

3273
02:16:28,780 --> 02:16:26,000
happens so I think when you look at the

3274
02:16:31,420 --> 02:16:28,790
bigger picture then you see a pattern

3275
02:16:33,460 --> 02:16:31,430
emerging where to an extent the UFO

3276
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:33,470
community the research communities have

3277
02:16:37,930 --> 02:16:35,810
been almost like dangling on a string so

3278
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:37,940
to speak a lot of people new to

3279
02:16:42,430 --> 02:16:40,610
disclosure assume that this is just a

3280
02:16:44,500 --> 02:16:42,440
new thing with the government planning

3281
02:16:46,480 --> 02:16:44,510
to reveal information but you know I'm

3282
02:16:48,280 --> 02:16:46,490
quietly confident but in the same way

3283
02:16:49,240 --> 02:16:48,290
it's never happen in the past it's not

3284
02:16:52,060 --> 02:16:49,250
going to happen now

3285
02:16:52,871 --> 02:16:52,070
if there is a big secret tip it's being

3286
02:16:54,820 --> 02:16:52,881
withheld

3287
02:16:57,130 --> 02:16:54,830
I think it'll either surface by

3288
02:16:59,371 --> 02:16:57,140
accidents that documents get released by

3289
02:17:02,550 --> 02:16:59,381
mistake it opens the floodgates or

3290
02:17:05,560 --> 02:17:02,560
there's a w change in the approach from

3291
02:17:07,690 --> 02:17:05,570
whoever or whatever is flying the UFOs I

3292
02:17:09,390 --> 02:17:07,700
don't think anybody in a vest in

3293
02:17:11,890 --> 02:17:09,400
government has a vested interest in

3294
02:17:14,920 --> 02:17:11,900
revealing the truth because if there is

3295
02:17:16,661 --> 02:17:14,930
a big truth to be revealed revealing it

3296
02:17:18,700 --> 02:17:16,671
when there's actually no need to without

3297
02:17:20,890 --> 02:17:18,710
the aliens landing or whatever only

3298
02:17:23,041 --> 02:17:20,900
cause even more trouble so it's just a

3299
02:17:25,570 --> 02:17:23,051
completely illogical approach to

3300
02:17:25,990 --> 02:17:25,580
suddenly open the floodgates and tell

3301
02:17:28,060 --> 02:17:26,000
everyone

3302
02:17:30,430 --> 02:17:28,070
d okay we've been lying the last 60

3303
02:17:31,990 --> 02:17:30,440
years which serves no purpose yes sir do

3304
02:17:34,839 --> 02:17:32,000
you really think the government's going

3305
02:17:37,509 --> 02:17:34,849
to ever admit it lie to people I mean

3306
02:17:39,009 --> 02:17:37,519
the government isn't it yeah I don't

3307
02:17:41,709 --> 02:17:39,019
think that would that would only happen

3308
02:17:43,720 --> 02:17:41,719
I think if you know I mean people talk

3309
02:17:46,060 --> 02:17:43,730
about the whole fear factor you know

3310
02:17:47,470 --> 02:17:46,070
could it be a case that you know perhaps

3311
02:17:49,450 --> 02:17:47,480
down further down the line there are

3312
02:17:51,930 --> 02:17:49,460
people in government who feel that

3313
02:17:54,490 --> 02:17:51,940
controlling the populace by a

3314
02:17:56,560 --> 02:17:54,500
manufactured threat that might convince

3315
02:17:58,270 --> 02:17:56,570
them to do something like that but just

3316
02:18:00,459 --> 02:17:58,280
doing it for the sake of it because they

3317
02:18:02,379 --> 02:18:00,469
want to it's finally time to tell the

3318
02:18:05,320 --> 02:18:02,389
public to me that's crazy

3319
02:18:07,089 --> 02:18:05,330
you know governments don't do that they

3320
02:18:08,610 --> 02:18:07,099
don't prepare and tell the public

3321
02:18:10,600 --> 02:18:08,620
because they fail you know their

3322
02:18:12,100 --> 02:18:10,610
conscience has got the better of them

3323
02:18:14,890 --> 02:18:12,110
and it's time to let us know that's just

3324
02:18:16,660 --> 02:18:14,900
absurd government's action our interest

3325
02:18:19,390 --> 02:18:16,670
there has to be a compelling reason for

3326
02:18:21,310 --> 02:18:19,400
that and there's a I've talked about

3327
02:18:24,009 --> 02:18:21,320
this on your show with with all the

3328
02:18:26,890 --> 02:18:24,019
guests here my opinion of it is that I

3329
02:18:29,140 --> 02:18:26,900
don't think the government entities in

3330
02:18:32,560 --> 02:18:29,150
any government in the world knows much

3331
02:18:33,730 --> 02:18:32,570
more about the phenomena that we do if

3332
02:18:36,459 --> 02:18:33,740
they do know more about it they just

3333
02:18:37,959 --> 02:18:36,469
have more data they don't know why they

3334
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:37,969
don't know where the things come from

3335
02:18:44,709 --> 02:18:41,570
they don't know how to control it they

3336
02:18:46,629 --> 02:18:44,719
don't know how to control people's how

3337
02:18:48,400 --> 02:18:46,639
that interacts with people but they do

3338
02:18:50,290 --> 02:18:48,410
know how to control perception of it and

3339
02:18:52,930 --> 02:18:50,300
that's what they can do I think until

3340
02:18:55,660 --> 02:18:52,940
there's some compelling reason to reveal

3341
02:18:57,250 --> 02:18:55,670
part of what is known that's just not

3342
02:18:58,810 --> 02:18:57,260
going to happen and it's not much should

3343
02:19:00,370 --> 02:18:58,820
we read all in the first place and if

3344
02:19:01,690 --> 02:19:00,380
you do reveal I just think you've said

3345
02:19:04,900 --> 02:19:01,700
that you don't really know what's going

3346
02:19:07,270 --> 02:19:04,910
on or how to control it that's admitting

3347
02:19:09,700 --> 02:19:07,280
that that's an admission of weakness

3348
02:19:12,100 --> 02:19:09,710
that no government anywhere wants to

3349
02:19:14,290 --> 02:19:12,110
show that they're weak now what kind of

3350
02:19:17,470 --> 02:19:14,300
government attitude do you see in Canada

3351
02:19:19,360 --> 02:19:17,480
Paul what paranormal UFOs the government

3352
02:19:24,190 --> 02:19:19,370
hasn't officially looked into the UFO

3353
02:19:25,990 --> 02:19:24,200
phenomenon since really the late 1960s

3354
02:19:28,660 --> 02:19:26,000
but effectively you know sort of the

3355
02:19:30,339 --> 02:19:28,670
early to mid 1970s it was eventually

3356
02:19:32,770 --> 02:19:30,349
transferred a number of different

3357
02:19:35,620 --> 02:19:32,780
departments from the RCMP to the

3358
02:19:37,419 --> 02:19:35,630
Canadian royal canadian air force to the

3359
02:19:38,179 --> 02:19:37,429
Department of Transport very various

3360
02:19:41,269 --> 02:19:38,189
government

3361
02:19:44,059 --> 02:19:41,279
for various reasons looked into UFO

3362
02:19:46,419 --> 02:19:44,069
cases and different aspects of them but

3363
02:19:49,040 --> 02:19:46,429
eventually it was all transferred out

3364
02:19:51,290 --> 02:19:49,050
after the Condon report came down in the

3365
02:19:53,029 --> 02:19:51,300
late 1960s to the National Research

3366
02:19:55,429 --> 02:19:53,039
Council and then eventually they

3367
02:19:57,469 --> 02:19:55,439
transferred it out to civilian hands and

3368
02:19:59,719 --> 02:19:57,479
it's basically run by a guy as I

3369
02:20:01,609 --> 02:19:59,729
understand it in Chris Rutkowski a very

3370
02:20:05,569 --> 02:20:01,619
good researcher out in Winnipeg Manitoba

3371
02:20:07,479 --> 02:20:05,579
and if reports come in they they seem to

3372
02:20:10,489 --> 02:20:07,489
tend to go to him he authors a

3373
02:20:13,670 --> 02:20:10,499
co-authors a a yearly report up here in

3374
02:20:16,219 --> 02:20:13,680
Canada on UFO sightings based on on the

3375
02:20:18,529 --> 02:20:16,229
reports that he accumulates but that's

3376
02:20:20,269 --> 02:20:18,539
the official stance with the fifties and

3377
02:20:22,699 --> 02:20:20,279
sixties members of parliament would ask

3378
02:20:26,120 --> 02:20:22,709
questions I don't know if anyone's ever

3379
02:20:27,979 --> 02:20:26,130
checked the congressional records to see

3380
02:20:29,420 --> 02:20:27,989
whether people would members of Congress

3381
02:20:31,309 --> 02:20:29,430
Senate or the House of Representatives

3382
02:20:34,219 --> 02:20:31,319
we're asking questions in the 50s and

3383
02:20:36,649 --> 02:20:34,229
60s about UFOs but I know somebody in

3384
02:20:38,120 --> 02:20:36,659
Canada has because I was the guy who did

3385
02:20:42,410 --> 02:20:38,130
that I went through all have answered

3386
02:20:45,019 --> 02:20:42,420
for about 45 or 50 years starting in the

3387
02:20:46,580 --> 02:20:45,029
late 1940s and you can see that there

3388
02:20:48,889 --> 02:20:46,590
were a couple of joki questions but by a

3389
02:20:51,710 --> 02:20:48,899
large when the topic came up it was

3390
02:20:54,139 --> 02:20:51,720
taken seriously and then it all stopped

3391
02:20:56,239 --> 02:20:54,149
in the late 1960s politicians there

3392
02:20:58,370 --> 02:20:56,249
hasn't been a single question since late

3393
02:21:00,920 --> 02:20:58,380
1960s asked in the Canadian House of

3394
02:21:03,319 --> 02:21:00,930
Commons about the UFO phenomenon except

3395
02:21:04,880 --> 02:21:03,329
for one and it was asked about a grant

3396
02:21:06,949 --> 02:21:04,890
that was given to a researcher to put

3397
02:21:10,069 --> 02:21:06,959
together a history of the UFO phenomenon

3398
02:21:11,330 --> 02:21:10,079
he had six thousand dollars and member

3399
02:21:12,469 --> 02:21:11,340
of the Opposition asked the government

3400
02:21:14,389 --> 02:21:12,479
well what are you giving this guy six

3401
02:21:16,219 --> 02:21:14,399
thousand dollars for we have the Condon

3402
02:21:18,050 --> 02:21:16,229
report which basically gives you

3403
02:21:21,590 --> 02:21:18,060
everything you need to know so that's a

3404
02:21:24,290 --> 02:21:21,600
waste of money that's it and so it just

3405
02:21:26,380 --> 02:21:24,300
dried up in the late 1960s early 1970s

3406
02:21:29,809 --> 02:21:26,390
but I think that's true pretty much

3407
02:21:31,550 --> 02:21:29,819
everywhere in terms of official interest

3408
02:21:33,590 --> 02:21:31,560
partly because I don't think there was

3409
02:21:34,939 --> 02:21:33,600
anything I think they I honestly think

3410
02:21:37,010 --> 02:21:34,949
they figured out there wasn't much more

3411
02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:37,020
they could do I come from the school of

3412
02:21:41,090 --> 02:21:39,449
thought that says the government really

3413
02:21:42,979 --> 02:21:41,100
doesn't know very much more about what

3414
02:21:45,290 --> 02:21:42,989
these things might be or might not be

3415
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:45,300
than we do if anything they don't know

3416
02:21:49,631 --> 02:21:47,760
much more so there's not a whole lot

3417
02:21:51,821 --> 02:21:49,641
they can do I think when they say things

3418
02:21:53,111 --> 02:21:51,831
like Nick Pope our friend Nick Pope is

3419
02:21:54,251 --> 02:21:53,121
always saying you know the government

3420
02:21:56,531 --> 02:21:54,261
found that there was no defense

3421
02:21:58,150 --> 02:21:56,541
significance well in a sense I think

3422
02:21:59,890 --> 02:21:58,160
they're probably right you know there's

3423
02:22:02,411 --> 02:21:59,900
no defense significance because whatever

3424
02:22:04,211 --> 02:22:02,421
it is we can't do anything about it so

3425
02:22:05,861 --> 02:22:04,221
there's there's really nothing good fin

3426
02:22:08,321 --> 02:22:05,871
because we have nothing to defend with

3427
02:22:09,850 --> 02:22:08,331
you know I think that's that's sort of

3428
02:22:11,650 --> 02:22:09,860
the attitude that's taken up here I've

3429
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:11,660
talked to politicians I've talked to

3430
02:22:16,060 --> 02:22:13,490
cabinet members federal cabinet minutes

3431
02:22:18,480 --> 02:22:16,070
members in Canada about the UFO

3432
02:22:21,791 --> 02:22:18,490
phenomenon off the record at parties and

3433
02:22:23,980 --> 02:22:21,801
you know they they express that one guy

3434
02:22:25,451 --> 02:22:23,990
I talked I've wrote about it Jeff Regan

3435
02:22:26,951 --> 02:22:25,461
who's our Minister of Fisheries which

3436
02:22:29,051 --> 02:22:26,961
sounds hot but you know what let's have

3437
02:22:30,940 --> 02:22:29,061
a cliff hanger that sounds odd this is a

3438
02:22:33,430 --> 02:22:30,950
cliff hanger Paul Campbell Christopher

3439
02:22:42,220 --> 02:22:33,440
O'Brian Nick Redfern Greg Bishop you're

3440
02:22:44,411 --> 02:22:42,230
in the power cast Ray Perkins a

3441
02:22:47,071 --> 02:22:44,421
reclusive veteran burned out from the

3442
02:22:50,111 --> 02:22:47,081
Gulf War lives tortured by relentless

3443
02:22:52,331 --> 02:22:50,121
perplexing nightmares nightmares of a

3444
02:22:54,161 --> 02:22:52,341
horrific battle in deep space and of a

3445
02:22:57,281 --> 02:22:54,171
mysterious woman's suffering and agony

3446
02:23:00,900 --> 02:22:57,291
for her devastated world a woman not yet

3447
02:23:04,301 --> 02:23:00,910
born calling across centuries to him

3448
02:23:07,001 --> 02:23:04,311
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you're in the power cast with Chris

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O'Brien Nick Redfern Greg Bishop and

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before we paused briefly Paul Kimball

3535
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had a cliffhanger please well I was just

3536
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saying that I've talked to politicians

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I've you know I've talked to scientists

3538
02:27:22,471 --> 02:27:19,721
I've talked all sorts of people lawyers

3539
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doctors let the UFO phenomenon the idea

3540
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that it's and the paranormal in general

3541
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I should end everything from ghosts and

3542
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near-death experiences you name it I've

3543
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talked about it

3544
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and the idea that it is frowned upon or

3545
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laughed at by intelligent thinking

3546
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people is patently ridiculous I think

3547
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those intelligent thinking people don't

3548
02:27:45,751 --> 02:27:44,381
particularly want to stand up in front

3549
02:27:49,771 --> 02:27:45,761
of a crowd and admit that they're

3550
02:27:52,261 --> 02:27:49,781
interested in it but they are and I tell

3551
02:27:54,631 --> 02:27:52,271
you this quick little story I was at a

3552
02:27:56,671 --> 02:27:54,641
gathering of members of my fan extended

3553
02:27:59,491 --> 02:27:56,681
family one of whom was a retired lawyer

3554
02:28:01,681 --> 02:27:59,501
one of whom was a retired top test pilot

3555
02:28:04,651 --> 02:28:01,691
for a major American aerospace company

3556
02:28:06,631 --> 02:28:04,661
and another one was a retired senior

3557
02:28:07,921 --> 02:28:06,641
civil servant for Canadian government so

3558
02:28:10,171 --> 02:28:07,931
you know these are guys with university

3559
02:28:11,911 --> 02:28:10,181
degrees who've accomplished an awful lot

3560
02:28:14,221 --> 02:28:11,921
in their lives very intelligent people I

3561
02:28:15,061 --> 02:28:14,231
won't name them but let's just say

3562
02:28:16,741 --> 02:28:15,071
that's who they are

3563
02:28:19,261 --> 02:28:16,751
and we started talking about UFOs

3564
02:28:21,871 --> 02:28:19,271
because Stan Friedman is part of my

3565
02:28:23,161 --> 02:28:21,881
family and he his name came up and I

3566
02:28:24,241 --> 02:28:23,171
asked them I said well you know what do

3567
02:28:25,501 --> 02:28:24,251
you think Eve opposed the house said

3568
02:28:27,091 --> 02:28:25,511
well you know it's very interesting we

3569
02:28:29,341 --> 02:28:27,101
certainly wouldn't rule a Lien's from

3570
02:28:30,751 --> 02:28:29,351
Zeta Reticuli out or anything else and

3571
02:28:32,011 --> 02:28:30,761
then I asked him because I thought okay

3572
02:28:34,261 --> 02:28:32,021
well let's find out what they think is

3573
02:28:36,001 --> 02:28:34,271
really weird let's see where the line is

3574
02:28:38,491 --> 02:28:36,011
I said well what do you think about the

3575
02:28:40,471 --> 02:28:38,501
idea of ancient astronauts the erich von

3576
02:28:41,971 --> 02:28:40,481
daniken kind of stuff they've aliens

3577
02:28:43,801 --> 02:28:41,981
were visiting here and maybe structured

3578
02:28:45,121 --> 02:28:43,811
our civilization thousands of years ago

3579
02:28:46,621 --> 02:28:45,131
no wife yeah

3580
02:28:48,691 --> 02:28:46,631
could be you know that that sort of

3581
02:28:50,131 --> 02:28:48,701
makes sense I said okay I thought that

3582
02:28:51,871 --> 02:28:50,141
was going to be the line but I'll try

3583
02:28:53,341 --> 02:28:51,881
this one I said what do you think about

3584
02:28:55,501 --> 02:28:53,351
the idea that there was an ancient

3585
02:28:57,631 --> 02:28:55,511
civilization on this planet call it

3586
02:29:00,151 --> 02:28:57,641
Atlantis for lack of a better word the

3587
02:29:02,281 --> 02:29:00,161
Navy was destroyed 10 20 who knows how

3588
02:29:04,051 --> 02:29:02,291
many thousands of years ago and they

3589
02:29:07,201 --> 02:29:04,061
went oh yeah actually that's probably

3590
02:29:09,121 --> 02:29:07,211
more likely than UFO and I said well

3591
02:29:10,831 --> 02:29:09,131
apparently there is no baseline there's

3592
02:29:12,961 --> 02:29:10,841
there's nothing I can go by here but

3593
02:29:15,121 --> 02:29:12,971
those are the kind of conversations that

3594
02:29:16,300 --> 02:29:15,131
happen all the time it's like being in a

3595
02:29:18,010 --> 02:29:16,310
bar and looking at

3596
02:29:19,479 --> 02:29:18,020
girl or if your girl looking at a guy

3597
02:29:21,429 --> 02:29:19,489
and you're thinking oh my god is she

3598
02:29:22,990 --> 02:29:21,439
looking at me meanwhile she's over there

3599
02:29:24,639 --> 02:29:23,000
thinking oh my god is he looking at me

3600
02:29:26,769 --> 02:29:24,649
cuz he's cute you're thinking she's cute

3601
02:29:27,819 --> 02:29:26,779
and the truth is you're both interested

3602
02:29:29,710 --> 02:29:27,829
in each other but you're kind of afraid

3603
02:29:31,450 --> 02:29:29,720
both of you are afraid to talk about it

3604
02:29:33,639 --> 02:29:31,460
and I think that's what the paranormal

3605
02:29:35,019 --> 02:29:33,649
is sometimes you know the guy is

3606
02:29:36,460 --> 02:29:35,029
interested in the girl the girl is

3607
02:29:38,889 --> 02:29:36,470
interested in the guy but they just

3608
02:29:40,719 --> 02:29:38,899
aren't sure whether they should say

3609
02:29:42,429 --> 02:29:40,729
anything and it's okay to come out of

3610
02:29:44,679 --> 02:29:42,439
the closet or from behind the laughter

3611
02:29:46,479 --> 02:29:44,689
Curtin folks there's more of us talking

3612
02:29:47,790 --> 02:29:46,489
about it with you know intelligent

3613
02:29:50,109 --> 02:29:47,800
people talking about it intelligently

3614
02:29:51,340 --> 02:29:50,119
then there are not in fact if you're not

3615
02:29:52,689 --> 02:29:51,350
talking about it

3616
02:29:54,160 --> 02:29:52,699
then you have something to be

3617
02:29:55,510 --> 02:29:54,170
embarrassed about as far as I'm

3618
02:29:57,910 --> 02:29:55,520
concerned because it just means you're

3619
02:30:00,160 --> 02:29:57,920
not thinking Chris you know very good

3620
02:30:02,170 --> 02:30:00,170
analogy pollute Leigh agree with you

3621
02:30:05,019 --> 02:30:02,180
there in terms of the question of

3622
02:30:07,149 --> 02:30:05,029
disclosure and the whole Exopolitics

3623
02:30:09,189 --> 02:30:07,159
movement that we're seeing you know I've

3624
02:30:11,349 --> 02:30:09,199
always felt that the government has been

3625
02:30:13,599 --> 02:30:11,359
able to accumulate quite a bit more data

3626
02:30:16,630 --> 02:30:13,609
than we have I mean just think of how

3627
02:30:19,420 --> 02:30:16,640
many thousands of examples of let's say

3628
02:30:21,609 --> 02:30:19,430
gun camera footage of objects being

3629
02:30:23,649 --> 02:30:21,619
chased by fighter planes and that sort

3630
02:30:26,109 --> 02:30:23,659
of thing I think the government has had

3631
02:30:28,809 --> 02:30:26,119
quite a bit of time to to accumulate a

3632
02:30:31,240 --> 02:30:28,819
lot of data and I think the amount of

3633
02:30:33,130 --> 02:30:31,250
data that they've accumulated that is

3634
02:30:36,069 --> 02:30:33,140
beyond you know public awareness is

3635
02:30:38,170 --> 02:30:36,079
about equal to the amount of confusion

3636
02:30:40,599 --> 02:30:38,180
that they have about the phenomenon as

3637
02:30:42,670 --> 02:30:40,609
it relates to our level of confusion so

3638
02:30:44,530 --> 02:30:42,680
they know a heck of a lot more in terms

3639
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:44,540
of the actual hard scientific data and

3640
02:30:48,309 --> 02:30:45,680
that means that they're that much more

3641
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:48,319
confused I think that this is not a

3642
02:30:55,389 --> 02:30:50,479
subject that they want to ever disclose

3643
02:30:57,660 --> 02:30:55,399
I think Brazil England France these

3644
02:31:00,729 --> 02:30:57,670
other countries coming forward with

3645
02:31:03,099 --> 02:31:00,739
arguably some sort of disclosure process

3646
02:31:05,410 --> 02:31:03,109
is taking the heat off the United States

3647
02:31:07,479 --> 02:31:05,420
so I think is really the holder of

3648
02:31:08,859 --> 02:31:07,489
probably the most important of this data

3649
02:31:10,780 --> 02:31:08,869
and I don't think it's our government

3650
02:31:12,519 --> 02:31:10,790
that's holding this data I as I said

3651
02:31:14,260 --> 02:31:12,529
before I really have a sense that the

3652
02:31:16,450 --> 02:31:14,270
military-industrial complex the

3653
02:31:19,059 --> 02:31:16,460
aerospace companies your your

3654
02:31:20,950 --> 02:31:19,069
contractors who are involved with heavy

3655
02:31:22,540 --> 02:31:20,960
duty multi-billion dollar budgets for

3656
02:31:24,370 --> 02:31:22,550
black projects I think they're the ones

3657
02:31:26,290 --> 02:31:24,380
that are probably the ones holding on to

3658
02:31:27,751 --> 02:31:26,300
the you know the deepest darkest secrets

3659
02:31:30,031 --> 02:31:27,761
in this realm

3660
02:31:31,861 --> 02:31:30,041
the corporations that contribute those

3661
02:31:34,890 --> 02:31:31,871
millions of dollars to the candidates to

3662
02:31:36,930 --> 02:31:34,900
get them elected they not only control

3663
02:31:39,720 --> 02:31:36,940
the purse strings they control what's

3664
02:31:42,301 --> 02:31:39,730
going on here it's been farmed out I you

3665
02:31:44,430 --> 02:31:42,311
know the military may have a bit of a

3666
02:31:47,491 --> 02:31:44,440
leg up on your you know your your

3667
02:31:48,691 --> 02:31:47,501
standard bureaucrat your elected

3668
02:31:50,161 --> 02:31:48,701
officials I think would be the last

3669
02:31:51,961 --> 02:31:50,171
people who really brought into the loop

3670
02:31:53,970 --> 02:31:51,971
they have no need to know I think

3671
02:31:54,361 --> 02:31:53,980
presidents have been kept out of the

3672
02:31:56,551 --> 02:31:54,371
loop

3673
02:31:58,591 --> 02:31:56,561
to me I think it's a pipe dream if

3674
02:32:00,871 --> 02:31:58,601
anybody thinks that the government who's

3675
02:32:03,241 --> 02:32:00,881
been lying to us arguably for sixty

3676
02:32:05,401 --> 02:32:03,251
years even if they did fess up and tell

3677
02:32:07,801 --> 02:32:05,411
us the truth how could you believe them

3678
02:32:10,081 --> 02:32:07,811
they've been lying for 60 years so to me

3679
02:32:13,020 --> 02:32:10,091
to me it's a pipe dream in anybody that

3680
02:32:14,671 --> 02:32:13,030
wastes any time in that particular realm

3681
02:32:17,011 --> 02:32:14,681
I think you need to you know instead of

3682
02:32:18,270 --> 02:32:17,021
trying to batter down the front door you

3683
02:32:19,861 --> 02:32:18,280
need to be coming up through the

3684
02:32:22,201 --> 02:32:19,871
basement through the windows through the

3685
02:32:24,871 --> 02:32:22,211
side door through the back door to gain

3686
02:32:27,600 --> 02:32:24,881
information that's why the FOI a Freedom

3687
02:32:30,331 --> 02:32:27,610
of Information Act in its limited way I

3688
02:32:32,401 --> 02:32:30,341
think has been the the real I think a

3689
02:32:36,031 --> 02:32:32,411
really important tool that ufologists

3690
02:32:38,071 --> 02:32:36,041
have you know utilized in and we got to

3691
02:32:38,821 --> 02:32:38,081
continue just you know taking a one baby

3692
02:32:41,611 --> 02:32:38,831
step at a time

3693
02:32:44,220 --> 02:32:41,621
to try to figure out the extent of their

3694
02:32:46,231 --> 02:32:44,230
knowledge Greg well I think what Chris

3695
02:32:47,491 --> 02:32:46,241
said about the corporations you you

3696
02:32:49,051 --> 02:32:47,501
would think that somebody listening

3697
02:32:50,850 --> 02:32:49,061
would think well he's a conspiracy

3698
02:32:53,881 --> 02:32:50,860
you know theorist and he just thinks of

3699
02:32:55,531 --> 02:32:53,891
the code the corporations have all the

3700
02:32:57,751 --> 02:32:55,541
power I don't think that's the reason

3701
02:33:00,421 --> 02:32:57,761
for it I don't know maybe part of the

3702
02:33:03,571 --> 02:33:00,431
reason the main reason for it is because

3703
02:33:05,881 --> 02:33:03,581
the the corporation's under us larks

3704
02:33:07,890 --> 02:33:05,891
consider private citizens and they don't

3705
02:33:10,201 --> 02:33:07,900
have to disclose anything but they're

3706
02:33:12,301 --> 02:33:10,211
not subject to foi a Freedom of

3707
02:33:14,161 --> 02:33:12,311
Information Act because they're they're

3708
02:33:15,751 --> 02:33:14,171
not the government so that's why I think

3709
02:33:17,551 --> 02:33:15,761
I agree with Chris that a lot of these

3710
02:33:19,560 --> 02:33:17,561
all the good data is probably been

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squirreled away there and so I also

3712
02:33:23,011 --> 02:33:22,091
think like Chris said that the answers

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02:33:24,661 --> 02:33:23,021
are not going to come from the

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02:33:27,871 --> 02:33:24,671
government they're going to come from us

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02:33:31,621 --> 02:33:27,881
and from forward-thinking scientists and

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02:33:34,591 --> 02:33:31,631
people who are who use their brains and

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02:33:35,881 --> 02:33:34,601
logic to try and figure this out and so

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02:33:37,350 --> 02:33:35,891
and I think the breakthrough will

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02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:37,360
probably come from somebody who's not

3720
02:33:41,970 --> 02:33:39,280
even interested in UFOs at all

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02:33:45,150 --> 02:33:41,980
some physicist or some sociologists or

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02:33:48,090 --> 02:33:45,160
some mathematician or something that

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02:33:51,690 --> 02:33:48,100
realizes that there's a whole tangential

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02:33:53,640 --> 02:33:51,700
way of thinking about reality that we

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02:33:56,460 --> 02:33:53,650
haven't given them enough credence to

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02:33:58,140 --> 02:33:56,470
yet or had enough evidence for that

3727
02:33:59,130 --> 02:33:58,150
satisfies most people I think I think

3728
02:34:00,870 --> 02:33:59,140
that's what's going to happen if

3729
02:34:02,850 --> 02:34:00,880
anything is going to change like Kris

3730
02:34:04,080 --> 02:34:02,860
says it's going to come from outside the

3731
02:34:06,690 --> 02:34:04,090
government that's going to come from

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02:34:09,150 --> 02:34:06,700
people looking at the subject in it for

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02:34:12,540 --> 02:34:09,160
way and in a concerted way and maybe in

3734
02:34:14,720 --> 02:34:12,550
a what's the word up a way that's been

3735
02:34:17,160 --> 02:34:14,730
dick Euler to what most of us have been

3736
02:34:19,890 --> 02:34:17,170
pursuing for the past 50 something years

3737
02:34:22,800 --> 02:34:19,900
Greg we're almost at the end of this

3738
02:34:24,720 --> 02:34:22,810
first relaunch of the power castle you

3739
02:34:26,190 --> 02:34:24,730
have a couple of minutes left tell our

3740
02:34:28,770 --> 02:34:26,200
listeners where they can find more of

3741
02:34:30,690 --> 02:34:28,780
the things that you do well probably the

3742
02:34:32,340 --> 02:34:30,700
main place now is writing over stereo so

3743
02:34:34,620 --> 02:34:32,350
which is my radio show paranormal radio

3744
02:34:36,150 --> 02:34:34,630
show everybody on the show with the

3745
02:34:38,040 --> 02:34:36,160
exception of Eugene has been a guest on

3746
02:34:40,200 --> 02:34:38,050
that program and he never asked me how

3747
02:34:41,970 --> 02:34:40,210
about fat ladies and gentlemen I'm

3748
02:34:45,120 --> 02:34:41,980
asking you now gene you have to come on

3749
02:34:48,510 --> 02:34:45,130
the show or UFO mystic call my agent I

3750
02:34:54,270 --> 02:34:48,520
yeah is that site will radio mysterioso

3751
02:34:56,730 --> 02:34:54,280
calm ra di Mis ter audio ESO calm or UFO

3752
02:34:59,610 --> 02:34:56,740
mystic calm Nick and I write at that

3753
02:35:03,090 --> 02:34:59,620
site or excluded middle comm which is a

3754
02:35:07,680 --> 02:35:03,100
magazine that I co edited and wrote for

3755
02:35:09,990 --> 02:35:07,690
in the 1990s which formed which shows a

3756
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:10,000
lot of my early development and a lot of

3757
02:35:14,220 --> 02:35:11,770
influences on my thinking basically by

3758
02:35:16,140 --> 02:35:14,230
the people I interviewed Nick Redfern we

3759
02:35:18,450 --> 02:35:16,150
know about UFO mystic calm where else

3760
02:35:21,660 --> 02:35:18,460
can we find more about your stuff my

3761
02:35:23,520 --> 02:35:21,670
main website is Nick Redfern calm and I

3762
02:35:27,330 --> 02:35:23,530
do a lot of blogging on various subjects

3763
02:35:29,760 --> 02:35:27,340
for the cryptozoology UFOs etc etc and

3764
02:35:31,800 --> 02:35:29,770
all the blogs a link to the my website

3765
02:35:33,630 --> 02:35:31,810
and I china update those at least a

3766
02:35:35,910 --> 02:35:33,640
couple of times a week so for all the

3767
02:35:37,770 --> 02:35:35,920
news reviews interviews things like that

3768
02:35:40,650 --> 02:35:37,780
people click on the blog section of the

3769
02:35:42,300 --> 02:35:40,660
website they'll find all the stuff that

3770
02:35:44,910 --> 02:35:42,310
I'm investigating right now Chris

3771
02:35:47,550 --> 02:35:44,920
O'Brien where do we find you ha ha

3772
02:35:49,380 --> 02:35:47,560
we live in a strange planet so I've come

3773
02:35:52,001 --> 02:35:49,390
up with a website called our strange

3774
02:35:54,701 --> 02:35:52,011
planet calm oh you are screen

3775
02:35:58,990 --> 02:35:54,711
planet again I post interesting news

3776
02:36:01,030 --> 02:35:59,000
stories that crop up every week and also

3777
02:36:02,680 --> 02:36:01,040
you can find out more about my books and

3778
02:36:05,381 --> 02:36:02,690
other projects that I'm working on there

3779
02:36:07,480 --> 02:36:05,391
Paul Campbell where can we find you

3780
02:36:09,461 --> 02:36:07,490
other than the local pub oh I just gonna

3781
02:36:11,940 --> 02:36:09,471
say the local strip club but you can

3782
02:36:16,091 --> 02:36:11,950
find me at or bheema Corby's orb

3783
02:36:18,100 --> 02:36:16,101
Emporium dot CNE which I am for the

3784
02:36:20,020 --> 02:36:18,110
clicking sound folks I've been working

3785
02:36:21,041 --> 02:36:20,030
on registering that as the episode has

3786
02:36:24,190 --> 02:36:21,051
been going long

3787
02:36:26,230 --> 02:36:24,200
so coming soon to a to an internet site

3788
02:36:28,900 --> 02:36:26,240
near you or red star film stop blog

3789
02:36:30,520 --> 02:36:28,910
spot.com or google my name add the good

3790
02:36:32,411 --> 02:36:30,530
stuff will come and to find out more

3791
02:36:35,530 --> 02:36:32,421
about the power cast go to the power

3792
02:36:38,801 --> 02:36:35,540
cast icon don't forget the the power

3793
02:36:42,671 --> 02:36:38,811
cast come the forums at forum dot the

3794
02:36:45,161 --> 02:36:42,681
power cast com we've got lots of wild

3795
02:36:47,680 --> 02:36:45,171
stuff coming in future episodes of the

3796
02:36:49,930 --> 02:36:47,690
power cast Chris O'Brien Paul Campbell

3797
02:36:52,060 --> 02:36:49,940
Nick Redfern Greg Bishop thank you all

3798
02:36:53,381 --> 02:36:52,070
for joining us on the power cast thank

3799
02:36:55,180 --> 02:36:53,391
you thanks gene looking forward to we're

3800
02:36:57,701 --> 02:36:55,190
gonna have some great times lots of good

3801
02:37:01,520 --> 02:37:00,110
the pair test is a calculated

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02:37:04,220 --> 02:37:01,530
presentation of making the impossible